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On September 10 2012 08:06 Twinmold wrote:
In my opinion the only thing holding Leona back from being as popular as Taric in solo q is the fact that she's harder to play properly.
Mostly in that it's harder to coordinate with teammates in solo queue. She's the type of champ you want your AD to have a running start as you go in because you'll end up taking too much free damage (or being left 1vX) otherwise.
You also need your team to understand how to maximize passive usage.
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On September 10 2012 07:38 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:31 Mondieu wrote:On September 10 2012 07:27 clickrush wrote:On September 10 2012 06:47 Requizen wrote:On September 10 2012 06:43 Slayer91 wrote:On September 10 2012 06:40 Mondieu wrote:
just ban jayce. Don't nerf him. He's not that strong, it's just that he's a good poker. Good poker, good laner, good burst, good sustained damage, good utility, good mobility.. Think of how bad the press would be if the 100th champ was bad. I'm ok with Jayce being good. + Show Spoiler +Not an excuse for free wins. Also, while everyone bitches about Soraka and Blitz as OP supports, Janna continues to be fucking insane. I love it. the strongest support at the moment is taric. he just works well with virtually any champion and is effective in defensive and offensive lanes. he also works good with ez, corki and graves as well as against them because he hast the most reliable stun of all the supports. tarics lategame is probably one of the least amazing but shureilas into stun combo is still a strong initiation. I dont understand why blitz is considered the strongest offensive support. leona is tankier and deals more damage while her initiation is far less situational. what makes blitz strong is those teamfight hooks which are very situational while leona just allways gets her stuns on the right target in any fight. a good blitz play has more influence but is less reliable. I'd say out of the aggressive supports blitz and leona are equals. leona is not played as much though, but I don't know why actually. Taric has 0 late game though since most bruisers going for your carry will have merc threads and one 1 second stun won't help that much on peeling . So you have to seal the deal in mid game, and that's pretty hard these days when all the teams learned how to turtle once they see the opportunity they have if they wait for late game  Taric/Tristana for example; go 5/0 in lane and dominate, but if other 2 lanes aren't doing good there's no way Tristana can carry the mid game since she's so damn bad until level 18+ LW/PD/IE Call me crazy but I feel like a fed Tristana is like the easiest champion in the game to carry with. o.o So many jumps, can be a real bully with a good support, and she AD carry. I mean, is there any AD carry that can really "carry" in the mid game? I think Taric good as a support because he reasonably effective without items and just has so much lane control both defensively and offensively. So binary too, you stun -> go in. No real miscommunications or even communication needed. Just stun and go in erry time.
She's prolly my favorite to use when fed
hit q and right click and watch people die
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the main reason I don't blind pick Leona every game I get support is fear of Taric.
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On September 10 2012 09:23 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 08:06 Twinmold wrote:
In my opinion the only thing holding Leona back from being as popular as Taric in solo q is the fact that she's harder to play properly. Mostly in that it's harder to coordinate with teammates in solo queue. She's the type of champ you want your AD to have a running start as you go in because you'll end up taking too much free damage (or being left 1vX) otherwise. You also need your team to understand how to maximize passive usage.
I've discovered that explaining your plan beforehand and pinging whenever you want to engage helps alot with this.
On September 10 2012 09:30 Slusher wrote:
the main reason I don't blind pick Leona every game I get support is fear of Taric.
I've actually found Taric to be reasonably easy to outplay. His armor aura doesn't really help against your burst and his stun is fairly weak as a disengage. Biggest risk with Taric is him simply turning the engagement around (I.E. going on your AD carry) but with smart play the lane is absolutely winnable.
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nevermind was just placeholder
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I'm liking more and more Taric (although my favorite remains Leona) because he is much more forgiving in Solo Queue. Going in with E with Leona can lead to your death if allies don't follow up.
Also, for some reason, I enjoy smashing people with Taric W + R. So much damage!!!
Armor buff is also nice. One of the game I played yesterday : 4 bruisers ad and 1 Warwick on enemy team. Taric had Aegis + W, and it felt like everyone had 100+ armor! Needless to say we won that game (although it was scary at the start)
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On September 10 2012 09:45 Twinmold wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 09:23 Craton wrote:On September 10 2012 08:06 Twinmold wrote:
In my opinion the only thing holding Leona back from being as popular as Taric in solo q is the fact that she's harder to play properly. Mostly in that it's harder to coordinate with teammates in solo queue. She's the type of champ you want your AD to have a running start as you go in because you'll end up taking too much free damage (or being left 1vX) otherwise. You also need your team to understand how to maximize passive usage. I've discovered that explaining your plan beforehand and pinging whenever you want to engage helps alot with this. Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 09:30 Slusher wrote:
the main reason I don't blind pick Leona every game I get support is fear of Taric. I've actually found Taric to be reasonably easy to outplay. His armor aura doesn't really help against your burst and his stun is fairly weak as a disengage. Biggest risk with Taric is him simply turning the engagement around (I.E. going on your AD carry) but with smart play the lane is absolutely winnable.
But does that make her a better support over the wellrounded Taric? Honestly any ADC/Support lane composition can win if you outplay the other, the argument to be made is which support is better in terms of utility. Remember their job is to make sure their ADC is securing good CS/Kills and Taric works with a lot more ADCs to me than Leona.
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leona is the easiest champion to bait your own bot into getting double killed
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Haha agreed zulu...the only Leona lane I have ever lost to was a Katarina/Leona bot lane...embarrassing, but still
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Scarra playing the world map music of Sengoku Rance *-*
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My god wombat/kobe. Such a strong casting duo.
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On September 10 2012 08:17 Dark_Chill wrote:My question isn't really: how do I deal with Jayce. My question is: WHY IS EVERYBODY NOT PLAYING JAYCE!
P.S: Am I the only one who has a problem with Renekton's animations? I for some reason had my moves be delayed compared to Jayce's, making trading even more impossible. His ult wouldn't activate until a bit after pressing, making saving myself from the killing blow and turning around the fight completely impossible.
People are slow. :>
Also, I have zero issues with Renektons animations. His fury empowered w is a bit slow, but that's because it strikes three times.
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On September 10 2012 11:02 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 08:17 Dark_Chill wrote:My question isn't really: how do I deal with Jayce. My question is: WHY IS EVERYBODY NOT PLAYING JAYCE!
P.S: Am I the only one who has a problem with Renekton's animations? I for some reason had my moves be delayed compared to Jayce's, making trading even more impossible. His ult wouldn't activate until a bit after pressing, making saving myself from the killing blow and turning around the fight completely impossible. People are slow. :> Also, I have zero issues with Renektons animations. His fury empowered w is a bit slow, but that's because it strikes three times.
IDK, stunning someone with mercs as Renekton feels like it's hardly worth it sometimes.
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On September 10 2012 11:07 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:02 zer0das wrote:On September 10 2012 08:17 Dark_Chill wrote:My question isn't really: how do I deal with Jayce. My question is: WHY IS EVERYBODY NOT PLAYING JAYCE!
P.S: Am I the only one who has a problem with Renekton's animations? I for some reason had my moves be delayed compared to Jayce's, making trading even more impossible. His ult wouldn't activate until a bit after pressing, making saving myself from the killing blow and turning around the fight completely impossible. People are slow. :> Also, I have zero issues with Renektons animations. His fury empowered w is a bit slow, but that's because it strikes three times. IDK, stunning someone with mercs as Renekton feels like it's hardly worth it sometimes.
It's never worth using fury to stun someone no, you get more dps with that one extra attack(unless you really want the longer stun).
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On September 10 2012 09:25 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:38 iCanada wrote:On September 10 2012 07:31 Mondieu wrote:On September 10 2012 07:27 clickrush wrote:On September 10 2012 06:47 Requizen wrote:On September 10 2012 06:43 Slayer91 wrote:On September 10 2012 06:40 Mondieu wrote:
just ban jayce. Don't nerf him. He's not that strong, it's just that he's a good poker. Good poker, good laner, good burst, good sustained damage, good utility, good mobility.. Think of how bad the press would be if the 100th champ was bad. I'm ok with Jayce being good. + Show Spoiler +Not an excuse for free wins. Also, while everyone bitches about Soraka and Blitz as OP supports, Janna continues to be fucking insane. I love it. the strongest support at the moment is taric. he just works well with virtually any champion and is effective in defensive and offensive lanes. he also works good with ez, corki and graves as well as against them because he hast the most reliable stun of all the supports. tarics lategame is probably one of the least amazing but shureilas into stun combo is still a strong initiation. I dont understand why blitz is considered the strongest offensive support. leona is tankier and deals more damage while her initiation is far less situational. what makes blitz strong is those teamfight hooks which are very situational while leona just allways gets her stuns on the right target in any fight. a good blitz play has more influence but is less reliable. I'd say out of the aggressive supports blitz and leona are equals. leona is not played as much though, but I don't know why actually. Taric has 0 late game though since most bruisers going for your carry will have merc threads and one 1 second stun won't help that much on peeling . So you have to seal the deal in mid game, and that's pretty hard these days when all the teams learned how to turtle once they see the opportunity they have if they wait for late game Taric/Tristana for example; go 5/0 in lane and dominate, but if other 2 lanes aren't doing good there's no way Tristana can carry the mid game since she's so damn bad until level 18+ LW/PD/IE Call me crazy but I feel like a fed Tristana is like the easiest champion in the game to carry with. o.o So many jumps, can be a real bully with a good support, and she AD carry. I mean, is there any AD carry that can really "carry" in the mid game? I think Taric good as a support because he reasonably effective without items and just has so much lane control both defensively and offensively. So binary too, you stun -> go in. No real miscommunications or even communication needed. Just stun and go in erry time. She's prolly my favorite to use when fed hit q and right click and watch people die
IMO Tristana would be very good if they removed the passive from her E; otherwise she is very mediocre imo.
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So what's everyone's opinion on Salce's top play? I haven't been too impressed, but this may due to switching roles and over all champ pools.
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On September 10 2012 11:16 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 09:25 arb wrote:On September 10 2012 07:38 iCanada wrote:On September 10 2012 07:31 Mondieu wrote:On September 10 2012 07:27 clickrush wrote:On September 10 2012 06:47 Requizen wrote:On September 10 2012 06:43 Slayer91 wrote:On September 10 2012 06:40 Mondieu wrote:
just ban jayce. Don't nerf him. He's not that strong, it's just that he's a good poker. Good poker, good laner, good burst, good sustained damage, good utility, good mobility.. Think of how bad the press would be if the 100th champ was bad. I'm ok with Jayce being good. + Show Spoiler +Not an excuse for free wins. Also, while everyone bitches about Soraka and Blitz as OP supports, Janna continues to be fucking insane. I love it. the strongest support at the moment is taric. he just works well with virtually any champion and is effective in defensive and offensive lanes. he also works good with ez, corki and graves as well as against them because he hast the most reliable stun of all the supports. tarics lategame is probably one of the least amazing but shureilas into stun combo is still a strong initiation. I dont understand why blitz is considered the strongest offensive support. leona is tankier and deals more damage while her initiation is far less situational. what makes blitz strong is those teamfight hooks which are very situational while leona just allways gets her stuns on the right target in any fight. a good blitz play has more influence but is less reliable. I'd say out of the aggressive supports blitz and leona are equals. leona is not played as much though, but I don't know why actually. Taric has 0 late game though since most bruisers going for your carry will have merc threads and one 1 second stun won't help that much on peeling . So you have to seal the deal in mid game, and that's pretty hard these days when all the teams learned how to turtle once they see the opportunity they have if they wait for late game Taric/Tristana for example; go 5/0 in lane and dominate, but if other 2 lanes aren't doing good there's no way Tristana can carry the mid game since she's so damn bad until level 18+ LW/PD/IE Call me crazy but I feel like a fed Tristana is like the easiest champion in the game to carry with. o.o So many jumps, can be a real bully with a good support, and she AD carry. I mean, is there any AD carry that can really "carry" in the mid game? I think Taric good as a support because he reasonably effective without items and just has so much lane control both defensively and offensively. So binary too, you stun -> go in. No real miscommunications or even communication needed. Just stun and go in erry time. She's prolly my favorite to use when fed hit q and right click and watch people die IMO Tristana would be very good if they removed the passive from her E; otherwise she is very mediocre imo.
Removing the passive on her E would absolutely break her. She'd have one of the safest laning phases, plus her insane early burst, plus her late game dominance with that retarded ass range and q steroid?
Recipe for absolute disaster.
On September 10 2012 11:34 Celestial wrote:
So what's everyone's opinion on Salce's top play? I haven't been too impressed, but this may due to switching roles and over all champ pools.
I've never been a fan of Salce at all, I don't like his playstyle or his general attitude about the game. No idea why, he just rubs me the wrong way. He never struck me as being immensely skilled either. I mean obviously he's good, or he wouldn't be up there like he is, but he doesn't really compare to other tournament players that I've seen.
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Salce's mechanics are good for top, but I don't think his game sense is there yet, it will take some time before he even reaches Dyrus's level of top because knowledge=power
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On September 10 2012 09:45 Twinmold wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 09:30 Slusher wrote:
the main reason I don't blind pick Leona every game I get support is fear of Taric. I've actually found Taric to be reasonably easy to outplay. His armor aura doesn't really help against your burst and his stun is fairly weak as a disengage. Biggest risk with Taric is him simply turning the engagement around (I.E. going on your AD carry) but with smart play the lane is absolutely winnable.
If he counter initiates he shits all over Leona to the point of uselessness
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hahaha saintvicious pulls some real shenbot action in their game against tsm.
Ults in on a low but manashielded blitz whos pretty far out from danger, runs into the tower, gets charmed and dies without doing anything.
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