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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 28 2012 18:14 GMT
#61
If you can dodge their shit while autoattacking (perfect example is ahri) then I think it can work
also he had first blood, Hakanfrog, and was 1-0-0
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Silencioseu
Profile Joined June 2011
Cyprus493 Posts
August 28 2012 18:35 GMT
#62
There's no real advantage of an ADC taking mid over AP carry.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 28 2012 20:00 GMT
#63
On August 29 2012 03:14 OutlaW- wrote:
If you can dodge their shit while autoattacking (perfect example is ahri) then I think it can work
also he had first blood, Hakanfrog, and was 1-0-0


That does not compute. At 8:00 the total number of waves he'll have been able to last hit is 12. The following assumes perfect last-hitting and Smite usage, and accounts for creep scaling and increasing ranks of Hawkshot.

Remaining Gold at Start: 20g
Value of 12 waves: 1608g
Value of Wraith Stolen @1:40: 33g
Approximate Gold Gains from Hawkshot: 191g
Gold Gains from TF Passive: 152g
Gold Gained by Smiting: 60g
Passive Gold Gains (including gp10): 809g
First Blood Gold: 400g

Total: 3273g
IE: 3830g
Gap: 557g


The math is similar for the 0-0-0 8:39 IE.

Remaining Gold at Start: 20g
Value of 14 waves: 1878g
Value of Wraith Stolen @1:40: 33g
Approximate Gold Gains from Hawkshot: 239g
Gold Gains from TF Passive: 176g
Gold Gained by Smiting: 70g
Passive Gold Gains (including gp10): 895g

Total: 3311g
IE: 3830g
Gap: 519g


Basically for this to be possible the p00n's team would have had to have taken at least one tower or dragon, and/or the p00n would have had to have been taking both jungler's Wraiths consistently.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 28 2012 20:28 GMT
#64
8 minute IE. Fucking lol. What kind of game are you guys playing?
God Bless
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
August 28 2012 21:04 GMT
#65
Ashe can´t even trade with normal carrys in bot lane with a normal rune setup. But with maxing hawkshot, going GP5 runes, rushing IE with no dorans or boots2/vamp scepter, she is supposed to be able to trade with mid laners? Makes 0 sense. Even if you do manage to get a IE before 10 minutes (you won´t) you are squishy as fuck, have no mobilitiy and terrible wave clear, you have no AS so any AP can just burst you instantly. It´s even worse if they run cleanse as you will have 0 trading options.
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
August 29 2012 23:31 GMT
#66
ASHE with 'E' max is a hoax. OP is a freaking big troll. Can't believe I fell for it once again. Unless your opponents in lane are retards there is no way picking 'E' over anything else is more rewarding than being equal in lane.

Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 30 2012 01:12 GMT
#67
Ignoring Frost Arrows for Hawkshot is more feasible (though still rather silly).

As for what having an AD carry mid does for your team:
It allows you to do crazy compositions like a true kill lane bot (panth leona!),1v2 bot with a roamer, or even 1v2 bot and 2v1 top~!
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 30 2012 01:15 GMT
#68
And then lose as a result?
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TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
August 30 2012 10:44 GMT
#69
Ashe is far too slow and squishy to play in mid, especially vs a strong burst champ like Veigar (or any other mid champ).

I imagine it would be ok vs melee champs like Akali, Gragas or Kat but the ganks are just too damn strong vs Ashe that any self respecting jungler will eat you for breakfast every time you try to cs.

The GP10 idea is pretty cool and would be awesome but I don't see why you couldn't build the same in bot lane, get the same amount of gold but less xp and a support to back you up. The lvl doesn't really matter with AD carry, you just need to farm up and get the items you need.
I've played a ton of Ashe, and gone mid a couple of times. It would be viable certainly, but if your opponent plays intelligently and just freezes the lane under their tower your lack of an escape mechanism (apart from ulti which is a waste) really hurts.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 18:40:46
August 30 2012 18:38 GMT
#70
Honestly, the biggest problem with running a carry mid is you have to buy some magic resistance/defensive items, and that's something that's not Infinity Edge. God, I hope IE gets nerfed.

If you want to do Ashe mid, buy some effective early/mid game items like Brutalizer and Hexdunker.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 30 2012 23:01 GMT
#71
Hex isn't bad for AD solos, but fuck Brutalizer. That CDR is almost completely wasted and Ghostblade is a horrible ranged carry item.
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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 30 2012 23:54 GMT
#72
btw I've seen jacky on stream be very successful with trist mid with some jugglers like amumu. By successful, I mean rape.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 31 2012 00:18 GMT
#73
On August 31 2012 08:01 Craton wrote:
Hex isn't bad for AD solos, but fuck Brutalizer. That CDR is almost completely wasted and Ghostblade is a horrible ranged carry item.

Yeah... AD carries just don't really need CDR, unless your name is Ezreal it's hard to make use of it effectively at all.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 31 2012 00:26 GMT
#74
Nyjacky usually goes AP trist mid, not AD.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Garhf
Profile Joined August 2010
49 Posts
August 31 2012 00:26 GMT
#75
On August 31 2012 09:18 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 08:01 Craton wrote:
Hex isn't bad for AD solos, but fuck Brutalizer. That CDR is almost completely wasted and Ghostblade is a horrible ranged carry item.

Yeah... AD carries just don't really need CDR, unless your name is Ezreal it's hard to make use of it effectively at all.

hey hey, do not be forgetting urgot the crab-man. s1 urgot mid horrible memories T_T
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
August 31 2012 03:40 GMT
#76
Isn't this thread about 8 minute Infinity Edges and less about AD carries mid?

I'm willing to forfeit a LOT for an 8 minute IE...
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
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