EPT[D] Ashe mid - Page 2
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
have a bruiser jungler that can use blue like WW/olaf/jax I think it could work | ||
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Craton
United States17236 Posts
Even if you work your team to have an AD mid, Ashe is probably among the absolute worst to put there because she has none of the tools you want for mid. She can't survive against burst, she has no escapes against ganks or aggressive, she has no burst to threaten with. If you try to do something like Kennen top and no other AP source your going to find teams just laugh at you and have an easy time itemizing. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
With a rune set up like that I can't see how you survive against most AP Mids. Even a low level Ryze or Gragas is going to walk up to you and chunk a large portion of your hp with a single Q. You die way too fast to burst. Someone like Cassi is going to laugh at you and then all-in and kill you at level 2. Either that or you get zoned off the creep wave forever. You're going to need a lot of babysitting by the jungler which gives up pressure on everything else on the map. You also have really low base AD so you're not very threatening outside of the initial crit. You really need Dorans to last hit under tower too so just pushing the wave to your tower is viable against you and then you're stuck last hitting while the other AP mid roams. In a casual setting, sure anything goes. But in a more serious level of play I don't see how you survive instead of rolling over and dying every time someone like Nyaahri looks at you funny. | ||
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yenta
Poland1142 Posts
Not 1v2. Cass + Soraka in 2v2 lane. I used to see this as Malzahar + Soraka bottom lane and Ashe/Cait mid. There was also some variation of dual AD where you would put the 2v2 lane mid and a second AD top. | ||
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Craton
United States17236 Posts
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yenta
Poland1142 Posts
- they tend to be squishy, mid lane is shorter, safer - they tend to want to roam to help gank top/ bottom/ help versus invades If you build a teamcomp where you put an ad, ad + support mid, suddenly the ap either has a lack of farm or the ap needs to switch top or bottom. I do think that the ad you put mid has to have either a bursty quality, like ez - or massive sustain, like how alex ich used to play trynd mid before the heal nerf. All theory league though. | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On August 27 2012 15:09 yenta wrote: Recently saw an MLG prize fight with I think Legion vs TSM. Legion put an AD ezrael mid vs Regi's morgana, the ez had a ton of armor pen runes. It completely shut Regi down in mid. That's a very different case from Ashe. Ezrael is a single-target duelist with good mobility - he's great in a solo lane. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:46 Craton wrote: There's no moving your AP carry out of mid. You only get an AD solo (top) by going double AD with a tank support and tank jungler. Even if you work your team to have an AD mid, Ashe is probably among the absolute worst to put there because she has none of the tools you want for mid. She can't survive against burst, she has no escapes against ganks or aggressive, she has no burst to threaten with. If you try to do something like Kennen top and no other AP source your going to find teams just laugh at you and have an easy time itemizing. I allways thought that mid champs are the ones who can control areas well (hawkshot, W, arrow). can gank well (arrow, slow) and can push decently (W). I think ashe works pretty well mid. ap carries tend to be weaker from lvl 1-2 than ad carries, and arrow is probably the best gank-assist/ganking tool which is not utilized as fully bottom as it is mid. The problem is that there are alot of champions who do very well against ad carries including ashe. I think gragas for example. and the other problem is that ppl are too stupid to not play the same strategy all the time in soloq. | ||
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
On August 27 2012 12:56 zulu_nation8 wrote: theres a bunch of reasons ADs get the babysit lane and APs get the solo What I hear all the time is the argument that adc scales with gold and not levels, apc scales with gold and levels. But the newer ad carries, and with changes to the type of damage on the abilities of some adc... I'm just looking at Graves, his abilities scale with his levels because of his itemization. Graves mid op  | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On August 27 2012 19:57 gaizka wrote: What I hear all the time is the argument that adc scales with gold and not levels, apc scales with gold and levels. But the newer ad carries, and with changes to the type of damage on the abilities of some adc... I'm just looking at Graves, his abilities scale with his levels because of his itemization. Graves mid op Problematic because you have to push lane to trade with Graves, easier to camp mid and get free kills compared to bot, esp. with the higher burst on the other side from the ap carry so graves will probably die a lot to jungle pressure. | ||
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Silencioseu
Cyprus493 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:28 1ntrigue wrote: It's certainly true that Ashe mid is safer now with the farmfest mid lane that is going on these days, but the issues that gtrsrs raise are still relevant. Perhaps running an AP bruiser top with tanky cc jungle/support and double AD (e.g. with Ez which can kite like a god with Ashe lategame + global) could be pretty good though. Double AD bottom is bad, its better if one AD goes in jungle and the tanky cc babysits adc bottom | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On August 27 2012 20:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Problematic because you have to push lane to trade with Graves, easier to camp mid and get free kills compared to bot, esp. with the higher burst on the other side from the ap carry so graves will probably die a lot to jungle pressure. Quite a few aps push lane to trade; this is not such a big problem. Graves is, when keeping his passive up, a ton tankier then most ap mids; so he can survive allins better. Graves also has smokescreen & quickdraw for escaping while buckshot & collateral damage give him strong burst. However a commonly shared characteristic on high tier ap mids is that they can waveclear fast. This gives them some huge advantages over champs that cannot clear (as) fast. Firstly it drastically shortens the window in which they are exposed to ganks in midlane. It also forces the other champ to stay put or miss out on farm. Thirdly it opens huge windows (can be 40 sec+) in which roaming/jungle farming can take place without missing the main mid farm. | ||
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oscar62
Canada417 Posts
but try maxing hawkshot, using butt masteries and forsaking armor yellows and see how far you get vs. anyone that isn't soraka the concept is cool for mid, would be absolutely terrible bottom. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 27 2012 22:24 Cloud wrote: Ad carries do just fine mid, even though ashe is one of the weakest, she can still rape some champs like akali. Try draven, graves, vayne, urgot or caitlyn. Gold per 10 quints is really a waste on any laner that isnt a support though. You should also be maximizing damage with your masteries/runes. Really? Even if Akali gets 0 CS by level 6 she can still easily rape an Ashe by going all in. | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
For masteries etc obviously standart and not 3 g/10 thats not good. Enough calculation showed that its horrible and esp for midlane if you cannot push you should never do that else you get outpushed. Maxing hawkshot on Ashe is terrible aswell (what you could do is put 1-3 points into it instead of your Frostshot to get some more gold and range on the "CV" which is not to be underestimated) Edit: Problematic because you have to push lane to trade with Graves, easier to camp mid and get free kills compared to bot, esp. with the higher burst on the other side from the ap carry so graves will probably die a lot to jungle pressure. wtf? midlane atm is pretty much perma push lane you push -> wraiths (or wolves) -> keep pushing the problem with AD carries might be that they push not fast enough not that they push too fast. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:58 wussleeQ wrote: If any AD can go mid, it's ezreal. And he's only good there to fuck up their ap. I have tried ez mid with ori raka bot which works pretty well. Raka goes with almost ap bot though lol. Did corki just disappear? He's hella good mid too | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On August 27 2012 22:24 Cloud wrote: Ad carries do just fine mid, even though ashe is one of the weakest, she can still rape some champs like akali. Try draven, graves, vayne, urgot or caitlyn. Gold per 10 quints is really a waste on any laner that isnt a support though. You should also be maximizing damage with your masteries/runes. lolwat | ||
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