• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:15
CET 13:15
KST 21:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down21ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League99
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 Evil Geniuses - shutting down SC2 Power Rank: epic29
Tourneys
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Mathematicians needed to calc "Low Econ Epicness" Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE! [$1250] International ShieldBattery League
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Deus Ex 3!? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9023 users

[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 35

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 189 Next
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22681 Posts
August 17 2012 18:39 GMT
#681
On August 18 2012 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 03:33 quillian wrote:
On August 18 2012 03:29 Requizen wrote:
On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!

I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...

Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.

Thanks!

After ranking matches, most people are around 1200 to 1300 ELO. I think Plat is around 2k.

Basically, Bronze is top 25%, Silver 10%, Gold 3%, Plat .2%.


Sorry let me restate:

How to SC2 Leagues relate to LoL Leauges?

Based on the numbers you give, it sounds like

LOL > SC2

Bronze > Plat
Silver > Diamond
Gold > Masters
Plat > GM

Does this sound about right?


Sure-ish. The biggest difference is that it's 5v5 > 1v1. This can make ranking up more difficult/frustrating if you perceive your losses to be out of your hands. But has DoubleLift said "You don't play solo queue to improve your team. You play solo queue to improve yourself." (too lazy to find source, moonbear has it)


This. Ranking in LoL really isnt the same as SC2 and you will fluctuate a LOT especially when you start out. Its a 5v5 game trying to pin a ranking on an individual player. Its not entirely accurate. Even more so when you can only play a portion of your games in your prefered rolled. Its like being terran every 5th game while trying to main zerg.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 17 2012 18:39 GMT
#682
The SC2 and LoL ladder don't correlate at all, ones RTS ones MOBA -___-

I was high master for most of my SC2 career, but was stuck in bronze-gold in LoL for months
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 17 2012 18:40 GMT
#683
That cuz u bad mugi
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
ninjakingcola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States405 Posts
August 17 2012 18:40 GMT
#684
Whatever happened to Rammus jungle and why is Sej so underplayed? Those two have huge HUGE teamfight prescence and ganking prescence and I rarely see them if I'm not playing them.
Where my demons hide? Why, if I showed you it wouldn't be a secret my dear.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 17 2012 18:41 GMT
#685
About the"jungle v lane carry" thing, the last point is a bit more conceited, but I'll just say it.

If I'm jungling, and my laner sucks, that's now a fed AD carry, mid, or top that I have to deal with. If I lane and my jungle sucks, I can at least make sure that I play passive and my enemy doesn't get fed, or win my lane by myself without ganks.

Basically, if my teammate is bad:
I'm jungle -> useless laner + fed enemy laner
I'm lane -> Enemy laner at most even with me, probably behind + useless jungle.

I'd prefer to have the second, but again, that's just me being bitter about solo-queue.
It's your boy Guzma!
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 17 2012 18:42 GMT
#686
On August 18 2012 03:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
That cuz u bad mugi

If you're support and you can't carry you're doing it wrong

>Story of my life when I duo with you :D
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 17 2012 18:47 GMT
#687
On August 18 2012 03:40 ninjakingcola wrote:
Whatever happened to Rammus jungle and why is Sej so underplayed? Those two have huge HUGE teamfight prescence and ganking prescence and I rarely see them if I'm not playing them.

rammus got aloooooooooooooooooooot of nerfs. and sejuani has base stats problems? or something like that i think
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 18:50:53
August 17 2012 18:50 GMT
#688
On August 18 2012 03:41 Requizen wrote:
About the"jungle v lane carry" thing, the last point is a bit more conceited, but I'll just say it.

If I'm jungling, and my laner sucks, that's now a fed AD carry, mid, or top that I have to deal with. If I lane and my jungle sucks, I can at least make sure that I play passive and my enemy doesn't get fed, or win my lane by myself without ganks.

Basically, if my teammate is bad:
I'm jungle -> useless laner + fed enemy laner
I'm lane -> Enemy laner at most even with me, probably behind + useless jungle.

I'd prefer to have the second, but again, that's just me being bitter about solo-queue.

Devil's advocate:
If your other two lanes are even:

You're a good jungle -> 1 useless laner, 2 fed laners vs 1 fed enemy and 2 useless enemies (bonus: enemy jungler is also useless because you've been counterjungling/counterganking a lot)
You're lane -> everyone's even, your jungler is useless and enemy jungler is exerting pressure everywhere


And if all of your teammates are bad then you really can't win in any position anyway (if you can, then your opponents are bad enough that you could help your bad teammates be less bad by helping them as a jungler)

Plenty of people have said they carried as jungler, and I'm inclined to believe them. Jungle is probably just not your role. Plenty of people have reached GM as zerg but even though I play toss at a mid-high diamond level I am probably gold zerg lol
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 18:51:44
August 17 2012 18:50 GMT
#689
On August 18 2012 03:40 ninjakingcola wrote:
Whatever happened to Rammus jungle and why is Sej so underplayed? Those two have huge HUGE teamfight prescence and ganking prescence and I rarely see them if I'm not playing them.

Rammus gets rather low on his first clear since the nerfs, even when starting cloth5. You don't really want to start cloth5 anymore.
A lot of people are alos confusing carrying with just playing well and doing your job lol. If you play sona and you get a 5man ult, did you just carry the game or did your top and mid who just killed their ad carry carry carry the game? Or did you just do your fucking job and play well.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 18:57:25
August 17 2012 18:50 GMT
#690
On August 18 2012 03:40 ninjakingcola wrote:
Whatever happened to Rammus jungle and why is Sej so underplayed? Those two have huge HUGE teamfight prescence and ganking prescence and I rarely see them if I'm not playing them.


Rammus got overnerfed by Riot and overshadowed by other tanky junglers. Unlike Maokai, Nautilus, Malphite et al. Rammus has to choose between clear speed and CC. While his ganks are still strong, it's pretty easy for him to fall behind and stay behind the enemy jungler if the ganks fail, even if the enemy jungler is ganking just as often (and as unsuccessfully).

Sejuani was overshadowed by Nautilus, and hasn't ever really recovered. Her first clear is weak compared to her peers, she has no defensive steroid, and she relies entirely on slows that require her to get into melee range for her pre-6 ganks. She is not, however, a bad jungler and really should see more play than she does, especially with that insane ultimate of hers.

On August 18 2012 03:41 Requizen wrote:
About the"jungle v lane carry" thing, the last point is a bit more conceited, but I'll just say it.

If I'm jungling, and my laner sucks, that's now a fed AD carry, mid, or top that I have to deal with. If I lane and my jungle sucks, I can at least make sure that I play passive and my enemy doesn't get fed, or win my lane by myself without ganks.

Basically, if my teammate is bad:
I'm jungle -> useless laner + fed enemy laner
I'm lane -> Enemy laner at most even with me, probably behind + useless jungle.

I'd prefer to have the second, but again, that's just me being bitter about solo-queue.


Laning is more fun if everything goes wrong. You won your lane, and you at least have that feather to put in your hat.

Jungling is less fun if everything goes wrong because you get all the blame, there's no real way to show you "won" the jungle, and you can't even blow up the enemy squishies out of spite before your team surrenders.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
OxyFuel
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada195 Posts
August 17 2012 18:57 GMT
#691
On August 18 2012 03:39 MooMooMugi wrote:
was stuck in bronze-gold in LoL for months


that's a huge elo difference..
Flash | Boxer | qxc | KawaiiRice | LuckyFool | Avilo
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 19:02:09
August 17 2012 19:01 GMT
#692
On August 18 2012 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Sure-ish. The biggest difference is that it's 5v5 > 1v1. This can make ranking up more difficult/frustrating if you perceive your losses to be out of your hands. But has DoubleLift said "You don't play solo queue to improve your team. You play solo queue to improve yourself." (too lazy to find source, moonbear has it)



It's at 14:30
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23463 Posts
August 17 2012 19:02 GMT
#693
"You don't play solo queue to improve your team. You play solo queue to improve yourself."
This is the thing that SHOULD be super obvious but everyone ignores and proceeds to go all woe is me this teammate did this and that.
aka Teutonica
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
August 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#694
On August 18 2012 03:39 MooMooMugi wrote:
The SC2 and LoL ladder don't correlate at all, ones RTS ones MOBA -___-

I was high master for most of my SC2 career, but was stuck in bronze-gold in LoL for months

Well. TECHNICALLY, you could consider MOBA titles to be RTS games as well (RTS as a larger genre that includes MOBA)
But I think the biggest difference that differentiates the two ladders is:
1) SC2 is much more dependent on your mechanics, whereas LoL emphasizes game knowledge (mechanics being less important)
2) SC2 is 1v1, MOBA games are typically 5v5
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
August 17 2012 19:24 GMT
#695
On August 18 2012 02:56 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 02:26 greggy wrote:
playing support is all fine and dandy but problem is that you, yourself, do not carry the game. you cannot 1v2 people like if you were a proper carry, you set someone up to do this.

just last game, I was soraka with mf vs graves/taric (down to 1050 elo from 1150, hue). all of those three were godawful, missed cs everywhere with no harass, no jungler intervention or anything either. so we're doing alright, i'm being generally useful and not feeding, clearing wards, etc. we're 25-10 up, and my entire team goes full retard, decides to go 3v5 at baron, dies, gives the opposing team a baron, comes back, dies again, score's now 25-18, push vs baron buff, die again and lose. I was like 0-1-15, but because the carries are dumb as shit, you can't save them and you lose.



I lol'ed.

If you cannot carry as a support, you can't play support properly and should maybe re-consider your role of choice for ranked instead of spilling out something i find to be utter ignorance.


if you can't play 5 roles why are you playing ranked then?


and someone give me a vod or something of a top player playing support in low elo and carrying the game. because whenever I see top players smurfing, be it in dota, hon or lol, they take the solo lane and proceed to smash their opponent 1v1 and then snowball other lanes. I don't remember seeing people smurf as support because no matter how much you set up plays, you still need someone to execute them, and people are fucking bad at it.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 17 2012 19:26 GMT
#696
On August 18 2012 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:
"You don't play solo queue to improve your team. You play solo queue to improve yourself."
This is the thing that SHOULD be super obvious but everyone ignores and proceeds to go all woe is me this teammate did this and that.



Everyone knows that your elo shows how lucky you are with your team mates and that you never get the usual troll/feeders/ragers like everyone else does.
hi
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
August 17 2012 19:28 GMT
#697
On August 18 2012 03:33 quillian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 03:29 Requizen wrote:
On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!

I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...

Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.

Thanks!

After ranking matches, most people are around 1200 to 1300 ELO. I think Plat is around 2k.

Basically, Bronze is top 25%, Silver 10%, Gold 3%, Plat .2%.


Sorry let me restate:

How do SC2 Leagues relate to LoL Leauges?

Based on the numbers you give, it sounds like

LOL > SC2

Bronze > Plat
Silver > Diamond
Gold > Masters
Plat > GM

Does this sound about right?

There's a fundamental, missing piece that you're missing. In SC2, all players are grouped into categories, ie bronze, silver, gold, etc, so that everyone can feel like they are in a unique category. In LoL, bronze, silver, gold and plat are more akin to actual competition, so the top 25% or so are 'medaled' while the rest of the population is just an 'unranked' amorphous blob of players. So yeah, it seems kinda conceited at first to say that bronze LoL players are the equivalent of plat SC2 players, but taken in context, if bronze - gold in SC2 were consigned to an 'unranked' category and then plat were renamed to bronze, and diamond to silver, and so on, then it makes more sense.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 17 2012 19:29 GMT
#698
On August 18 2012 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:
"You don't play solo queue to improve your team. You play solo queue to improve yourself."
This is the thing that SHOULD be super obvious but everyone ignores and proceeds to go all woe is me this teammate did this and that.

Bleh, yes, I'm trying to improve myself, but it doesn't help when I go "Oh, I'm roaming well, wards are down, I'm 1-0-2, not bad, let's look at my teammates.... and they're 1-6. Ok then."

Anyone who plays with me on Skype should know that I bitch at myself constantly for not buying enough wards, wasting time on ganks that aren't going anywhere (sitting in bushes, etc), missing last hits, not watching the minimap, etc. I'm actually a pretty self-depressive and -loathing person who's quick to point out his own flaws, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to blame other people for doing stupid shit as well.

I don't care if my teammates are going to get better or steamroll, I do care if they play like morons and do obviously stupid things despite others pointing them out.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 19:33:29
August 17 2012 19:32 GMT
#699
Why?

Playing when your teammates are doing badly is the ultmiate test of carrying a game. Anyone can get good scores when your team is ahead on gold.
If you want to show that you're better than a given elo, carrying a game like that is the best way to do it.
aka Teutonica
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 17 2012 19:35 GMT
#700
Can we perhaps close some of the old, outdated [Champion] threads so new ones can be created? I was looking over some of them (e.g. Janna) and it was horribly outdated (ArPen WTF?)..
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 189 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Ultimate Battle
21:00
Google Play
Rush vs BeStLIVE!
UltimateBattle 783
Liquipedia
WardiTV Weekly
21:00
WardiTV Mondays #111
IntoTheiNu 1018
WardiTV188
Rex87
OGKoka 73
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko189
Rex 87
OGKoka 73
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6985
firebathero 1188
Bisu 964
Shuttle 787
Jaedong 694
FanTaSy 542
Larva 394
BeSt 381
Stork 280
Mini 272
[ Show more ]
Zeus 257
actioN 251
Light 218
ggaemo 131
Hyuk 130
Rush 108
Mind 105
Snow 92
hero 74
Leta 66
Pusan 48
Barracks 47
Sea.KH 47
Sharp 42
Mong 41
Killer 37
sorry 30
HiyA 26
ZergMaN 25
Terrorterran 25
Shine 23
soO 20
Bishop 19
910 19
Aegong 18
Hm[arnc] 15
Shinee 14
yabsab 14
Sacsri 13
Noble 13
scan(afreeca) 13
Counter-Strike
fl0m4442
olofmeister1598
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King89
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu1321
crisheroes334
Other Games
B2W.Neo986
Pyrionflax238
Happy225
Sick104
ArmadaUGS27
QueenE6
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL466
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 53
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV633
League of Legends
• Stunt465
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 46m
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
1d
PiGosaur Cup
1d 12h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
herO vs Rogue
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
IPSL
5 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
IPSL
6 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-01
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.