[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 33

On August 18 2012 00:04 greggy wrote:you must've gotten lucky because in my games, my team inevitably loses the 4v3 somehow.

On August 17 2012 23:49 zer0das wrote:
It kind of depends on what junglers you're playing too. I play Warwick in normals, but I tend to try to avoid him in ranked games because I know that if I don't have a jungler that can bring a lot of early pressure, chances are my team is going to throw away the game and blame me. People just don't understand that sometimes they just need to be a bit less aggressive early on and ward. I don't think I've jungled a single ranked game as Warwick where my team wasn't revolting over the fact I didn't level 2 gank. Which is why I think you see a lot of seemingly stupid Warwicks try that...

Personally I find this really stupid. It's like half the people in ranked games don't know how to win a lane or break even if their jungler isn't there holding their hand the entire time. Sometimes people get bad matchups, and I understand that, but this goes way beyond that.

It's not exactly rocket science either. I had a game yesterday as Wukong against Yorick where I had to sit and survive in lane for 30 minutes while Skarner was ganking me every other minute (or trying to- he also cleared like 20 of my wards with oracles), and I didn't have any jungler help until after the laning phase was effectively over. Did I complain? Not really (other than the standard "Yorick is a retarded champion"), because my team was winning every other lane, had better dragon control, and I was still outfarming Yorick. Predictably we rolled them in every team fight, and on top of that, I didn't even die once. I think a lot of people have the mindset that they have to leave lane with 5-6 kills to have a chance to win the game, when that's just not true. People don't realize that they need to chill out and just passively farm to give their team the best chance to win in certain circumstances.

Or that untempered aggression when you have no idea where the enemy jungler is is a fool's errand more often than not, especially early.

On August 18 2012 00:33 Requizen wrote:

I think a bit of the issue may come from people not knowing how to take advantage of an early lead. For example, ganking top at 2 or 3, getting the laner a kill, and they immediately think that this means they can dive at level 5 against a Jax and get a kill. It's a bit depressing to see people throw that away. Lane control is also an issue for jungling at lower levels, in that people don't understand that insta-clearing a wave and then asking for a gank is a really dumb idea.

On August 18 2012 00:48 Morfildur wrote:
I have a really hard time carrying as AD carry in low ELO (currently down to 1150 again). Yes, i win lane, i rarely die to ganks, i usually have the highest or close to the highest CS in the game, i never get caught alone... but in teamfights the whole enemy team (minus their AD) hunts me while my team hunts the enemy AD so my influence on the actual fight is limited to blowing my skills once and then running away from those 4 opponents as fast as my feet can carry me and trying to dodge all skillshot snares, stuns, etc., hoping none of them has flash up.
Then at some point me and/or the enemy AD are dead and i can only watch the remaining 4v4 in black and white and hope my team wins - which it rarely seems to do.

I had a game 3 days ago where the mid anivia and me told the team all the time to protect us... but yorick, taric and udyr kept chasing their AD and never caught him while their fed irelia trashed me under our tower.

On August 18 2012 00:50 MooMooMugi wrote:
Main DPSer sits in the brush adjacent to Baron

"IM GUARDING YOU GUYS!"

On August 18 2012 00:11 zodde wrote:


People assume they are playing with retards, which means they have to carry the game if they want to win. And the "best" way to carry a game is to snowball your lane massively. To do that, you often have to take major risks, and many times it just ends up putting you behind.

Carrying a game hardcore style is a great feeling and people want to experience that every game. Though, I have to say that it's even more rewarding to outplay a counterpick enough to go even on farm and not die, then win lategame. More people should try playing safe, it's pretty fun ^^

On August 18 2012 01:11 Hakanfrog wrote:
I went from 1300- 1450 in no time as soon as I stopped whoring over mid and just played jungle and support every game.

The truth is, there will be games where you will lose no matter what you do, the same comes to winning games. The games you can affect are the ones that are even, which you might aswell do with support. Jungler and support are the roles people do not want, therefore they play them as little as possible, meaning they probablly suck at them. So what you do is you pick a support or jungler which can punish poor play from the enemy support or jungler. Would you rather be mid vs a player who has played 100+ games as that role, or play support bot vs a player that not only has played less than 20 games as that role, but is absolutely pissed about having to play it and will tilt easily?

As much as I try to convince myself I am a great mid, my Ahri only has a 53% win rate, extemely mediocre stat. My Janna on the other hand has a 70% winrate (relatively few games played though), and my Shyvana has a 60% win rate. So I´m probablly not a better mid than the average 1300-1400 player, but I do know I am a better jungler and support than the average 1300-1400 player.

You may not be able to go 10-0 with support and super carry, but if you were good enought to do that regularly you wouldn´t be in low ELO. Most people probablly have selective memories to protect their egos.

On August 18 2012 00:55 Conversion wrote:
i've queued up/against so far with 5HITCOMBO and soloside

must seek more people!!

On August 18 2012 02:26 greggy wrote:
playing support is all fine and dandy but problem is that you, yourself, do not carry the game. you cannot 1v2 people like if you were a proper carry, you set someone up to do this.

just last game, I was soraka with mf vs graves/taric (down to 1050 elo from 1150, hue). all of those three were godawful, missed cs everywhere with no harass, no jungler intervention or anything either. so we're doing alright, i'm being generally useful and not feeding, clearing wards, etc. we're 25-10 up, and my entire team goes full retard, decides to go 3v5 at baron, dies, gives the opposing team a baron, comes back, dies again, score's now 25-18, push vs baron buff, die again and lose. I was like 0-1-15, but because the carries are dumb as shit, you can't save them and you lose.

On August 18 2012 02:26 greggy wrote:
playing support is all fine and dandy but problem is that you, yourself, do not carry the game. you cannot 1v2 people like if you were a proper carry, you set someone up to do this.

just last game, I was soraka with mf vs graves/taric (down to 1050 elo from 1150, hue). all of those three were godawful, missed cs everywhere with no harass, no jungler intervention or anything either. so we're doing alright, i'm being generally useful and not feeding, clearing wards, etc. we're 25-10 up, and my entire team goes full retard, decides to go 3v5 at baron, dies, gives the opposing team a baron, comes back, dies again, score's now 25-18, push vs baron buff, die again and lose. I was like 0-1-15, but because the carries are dumb as shit, you can't save them and you lose.