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On August 17 2012 17:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Played my first LoL game yesterday, cause a friend asked me too.. (3/7/9)  at least we won... Well I'm used to DotA so I hope someone would be so kind to help me. Is there a list of LoL heros which are more or less copies of Dota ones? Thanks in advance.
Err I don't think similar heroes (or ports) exist
There are a lot of individual skills that are same/similar to DotA skills, but thats bound to happen
The only think I can think of is Sejuani being somewhat like Beastmaster (minus the pig/bird)
Edit: There are also items that are same similar (sunfire cape = radiance, thornmail = chainmail, maelstrom ~ ionian spark, banshee's veil ~ linken's, etc etc), but I dont see any hero parallels
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really? not a single one? thats disappointing, well thanks for the answer !
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On August 17 2012 18:17 JerKy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 17:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Played my first LoL game yesterday, cause a friend asked me too.. (3/7/9) at least we won... Well I'm used to DotA so I hope someone would be so kind to help me. Is there a list of LoL heros which are more or less copies of Dota ones? Thanks in advance. Err I don't think similar heroes (or ports) exist There are a lot of individual skills that are same/similar to DotA skills, but thats bound to happen The only think I can think of is Sejuani being somewhat like Beastmaster (minus the pig/bird)
Nocturne is kind of like Spectre.... just without the scaling really well offensively and defensively. You only get to pick one. Same Q (without wall walking), similar global ult, Noct gets spellshield where Spectre has AA mitigation.
I dunno, things in LoL just different. AD carries only get damages (hence no hyper carries), AP carries scale much better in LoL due to Ability Power ratios; most "mages" in DotA supports like Lich because they fall off, whereas supports in LoL basically like Healers/CC bots.
Probably easier for you to pick a role (Bruiser/tanky top, Ability power carrie mid, tanky/bruiser jungles, Attack Damage carry, or support) and just pick a champion who fills that roll that you thinks cool.
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okay thanks for the tipps 
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !
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"Fixed: Garen's next basic attack after Decisive Strike no longer occurs unusually quickly"
Hmph, and no one would believe me for all this time.
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On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:okay thanks for the tipps In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !
play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).
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On August 17 2012 18:42 Shikyo wrote:
"Fixed: Garen's next basic attack after Decisive Strike no longer occurs unusually quickly"
Hmph, and no one would believe me for all this time.
Sure we did. I had a lot of fun with Garen after reading your post.
I (and many others I assume) just prefer not post if I cannot add anything of value to the discussion.
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On August 17 2012 17:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Played my first LoL game yesterday, cause a friend asked me too.. (3/7/9) at least we won... Well I'm used to DotA so I hope someone would be so kind to help me. Is there a list of LoL heros which are more or less copies of Dota ones? Thanks in advance.
From the LoL-> dota perspective, my friends gave me a key to play dota 2 and when I asked what's easy to pick up, they just told me pick drow ranger, play it like ashe. It did feel somewhat similar. Apart from the utility spells (W on drow, R on ashe), they play in largely the same way. Kite (spam W on ashe), attack until stuff dies.
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On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:okay thanks for the tipps In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs ! play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).
Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death.
Thanks again to all you guys' responses
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On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:okay thanks for the tipps In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs ! play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!). Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death. Thanks again to all you guys' responses
if your ahead in your lane you can often tank a fair amount of creeps when the lane pushes to your tower so the lane doesnt reset. that is how you deny in lol because creeps do far less damage.
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You can still kind of deny creeps, not through killing them, of course, but you just need to force the enemy not to be near them when they die. In many lanes, it is still possible to shut your enemy down pretty hard and deny them pretty much any farm from that lane if you are stronger then them and play it correctly.
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On August 17 2012 18:42 Shikyo wrote:
"Fixed: Garen's next basic attack after Decisive Strike no longer occurs unusually quickly"
Hmph, and no one would believe me for all this time.
Never realized this o_0
Also I like how they're fixing garen taking a short nap every time he's chasing someone and decisive striking them.
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On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:okay thanks for the tipps In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs ! play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!). Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death. Thanks again to all you guys' responses
Getting used to not being able to deny and the laneflow that follows from that is pretty important; notions like if you autoattack your lane opponent top early you're going to push your lane and be vulnerable to jungle ganks are key to understand.
A big point of critique on what clickrush said is that he excludes supports from the champions that need farm; but even supports should get farm. Core support items like aegis & shurelyas can turn early teamfights; the faster you get them the better. This doesnt mean that you should compete with your carries for farm; but supports should salvage all the farm they can get.
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MMk watching OGN, I'm convinced that the mana cost scaling and damage of diana's Q is going to be hit, hard. If you can hit 2-3 Q's, shove lane and then hit them when they can't do much under tower, towerdiving them and 70-0ing constantly looks so unbelievably broken.
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I've decided to try and reach 2k within the next couple of weeks. Hope i at least reach plat lol. 
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On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:okay thanks for the tipps In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs ! play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!). Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death. Thanks again to all you guys' responses
Drow has an abysmal animation, I'd say it's the second-worst in the entire game after Lina. Considering that LoL has incredibly easy animations, I really don't see Drow as a good choice.
Mirana to me is a far better choice because she can fill just about every role and her animation and range are both exceptional.
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on the topic of weird attack resets, nautilus W and fiora E comes to mind
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On August 17 2012 21:13 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
on the topic of weird attack resets, nautilus W and fiora E comes to mind
Dont they just reset timer on use? That's rather common; garen used to reset on- and post-use which is really uncommon. When optimally used you could land 3 really quick attacks (auto-q-auto), something the ability isn't balanced around.
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On August 17 2012 20:11 wussleeQ wrote:I've decided to try and reach 2k within the next couple of weeks. Hope i at least reach plat lol.
It's a super fun road, believe you me.
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On August 17 2012 20:05 Schwopzi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:okay thanks for the tipps In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs ! play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!). Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death. Thanks again to all you guys' responses Getting used to not being able to deny and the laneflow that follows from that is pretty important; notions like if you autoattack your lane opponent top early you're going to push your lane and be vulnerable to jungle ganks are key to understand. A big point of critique on what clickrush said is that he excludes supports from the champions that need farm; but even supports should get farm. Core support items like aegis & shurelyas can turn early teamfights; the faster you get them the better. This doesnt mean that you should compete with your carries for farm; but supports should salvage all the farm they can get.
as he comes from dota he understands this. supports get some farm there as well if it is available.
On August 17 2012 20:15 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:okay thanks for the tipps In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs ! play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!). Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death. Thanks again to all you guys' responses Drow has an abysmal animation, I'd say it's the second-worst in the entire game after Lina. Considering that LoL has incredibly easy animations, I really don't see Drow as a good choice. Mirana to me is a far better choice because she can fill just about every role and her animation and range are both exceptional.
also drow and ashe are played completely differently mechanics wise since you can orbwalk in dota. I still remember when I played the LoL tutorial and was confused while trying to orbwalk with ashe. I thought there must be something wrong with my keybindings or something lol.
If these are the things I had to learn the hard way when I started to play LoL comming from dota:
- ganking/roaming is far less important/efficient.
- it matters far less where and when you place wards since they cost no money and have no limit. mapcontrol is achieved by being able to play aggressively as a team and getting oracles (snowball from laneing phase) and not by smarter ward placement and counterwarding.
- turrets hurt alot more and there is no way to deaggro them.
- alot of supports feel throughout weak on their own as they dont have that huge early game advantage like dota supports also there is only 1 support per team, the rest are semicarries.
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