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JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 09:20:44
August 17 2012 09:17 GMT
#601
On August 17 2012 17:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Played my first LoL game yesterday, cause a friend asked me too.. (3/7/9) at least we won...
Well I'm used to DotA so I hope someone would be so kind to help me. Is there a list of LoL heros which are more or less copies of Dota ones? Thanks in advance.

Err I don't think similar heroes (or ports) exist
There are a lot of individual skills that are same/similar to DotA skills, but thats bound to happen

The only think I can think of is Sejuani being somewhat like Beastmaster (minus the pig/bird)

Edit: There are also items that are same similar (sunfire cape = radiance, thornmail = chainmail, maelstrom ~ ionian spark, banshee's veil ~ linken's, etc etc), but I dont see any hero parallels
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 17 2012 09:20 GMT
#602
really? not a single one? thats disappointing, well thanks for the answer !
This is our town, scrub
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 09:28:41
August 17 2012 09:26 GMT
#603
On August 17 2012 18:17 JerKy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Played my first LoL game yesterday, cause a friend asked me too.. (3/7/9) at least we won...
Well I'm used to DotA so I hope someone would be so kind to help me. Is there a list of LoL heros which are more or less copies of Dota ones? Thanks in advance.

Err I don't think similar heroes (or ports) exist
There are a lot of individual skills that are same/similar to DotA skills, but thats bound to happen

The only think I can think of is Sejuani being somewhat like Beastmaster (minus the pig/bird)


Nocturne is kind of like Spectre.... just without the scaling really well offensively and defensively. You only get to pick one. Same Q (without wall walking), similar global ult, Noct gets spellshield where Spectre has AA mitigation.

I dunno, things in LoL just different. AD carries only get damages (hence no hyper carries), AP carries scale much better in LoL due to Ability Power ratios; most "mages" in DotA supports like Lich because they fall off, whereas supports in LoL basically like Healers/CC bots.

Probably easier for you to pick a role (Bruiser/tanky top, Ability power carrie mid, tanky/bruiser jungles, Attack Damage carry, or support) and just pick a champion who fills that roll that you thinks cool.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 17 2012 09:36 GMT
#604
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !
This is our town, scrub
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 17 2012 09:42 GMT
#605
"Fixed: Garen's next basic attack after Decisive Strike no longer occurs unusually quickly"

Hmph, and no one would believe me for all this time.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 09:59:18
August 17 2012 09:56 GMT
#606
On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !


play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
August 17 2012 10:03 GMT
#607
On August 17 2012 18:42 Shikyo wrote:
"Fixed: Garen's next basic attack after Decisive Strike no longer occurs unusually quickly"

Hmph, and no one would believe me for all this time.


Sure we did. I had a lot of fun with Garen after reading your post.

I (and many others I assume) just prefer not post if I cannot add anything of value to the discussion.
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 10:08:03
August 17 2012 10:04 GMT
#608
On August 17 2012 17:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Played my first LoL game yesterday, cause a friend asked me too.. (3/7/9) at least we won...
Well I'm used to DotA so I hope someone would be so kind to help me. Is there a list of LoL heros which are more or less copies of Dota ones? Thanks in advance.


From the LoL-> dota perspective, my friends gave me a key to play dota 2 and when I asked what's easy to pick up, they just told me pick drow ranger, play it like ashe. It did feel somewhat similar. Apart from the utility spells (W on drow, R on ashe), they play in largely the same way. Kite (spam W on ashe), attack until stuff dies.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 17 2012 10:08 GMT
#609
On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !


play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).

Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death.

Thanks again to all you guys' responses
This is our town, scrub
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 17 2012 10:22 GMT
#610
On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:
On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !


play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).

Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death.

Thanks again to all you guys' responses


if your ahead in your lane you can often tank a fair amount of creeps when the lane pushes to your tower so the lane doesnt reset. that is how you deny in lol because creeps do far less damage.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
August 17 2012 10:23 GMT
#611
You can still kind of deny creeps, not through killing them, of course, but you just need to force the enemy not to be near them when they die. In many lanes, it is still possible to shut your enemy down pretty hard and deny them pretty much any farm from that lane if you are stronger then them and play it correctly.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 17 2012 10:33 GMT
#612
On August 17 2012 18:42 Shikyo wrote:
"Fixed: Garen's next basic attack after Decisive Strike no longer occurs unusually quickly"

Hmph, and no one would believe me for all this time.

Never realized this o_0
Also I like how they're fixing garen taking a short nap every time he's chasing someone and decisive striking them.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
August 17 2012 11:05 GMT
#613
On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:
On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !


play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).

Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death.

Thanks again to all you guys' responses


Getting used to not being able to deny and the laneflow that follows from that is pretty important; notions like if you autoattack your lane opponent top early you're going to push your lane and be vulnerable to jungle ganks are key to understand.

A big point of critique on what clickrush said is that he excludes supports from the champions that need farm; but even supports should get farm. Core support items like aegis & shurelyas can turn early teamfights; the faster you get them the better. This doesnt mean that you should compete with your carries for farm; but supports should salvage all the farm they can get.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 11:06:58
August 17 2012 11:06 GMT
#614
MMk watching OGN, I'm convinced that the mana cost scaling and damage of diana's Q is going to be hit, hard. If you can hit 2-3 Q's, shove lane and then hit them when they can't do much under tower, towerdiving them and 70-0ing constantly looks so unbelievably broken.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 17 2012 11:11 GMT
#615
I've decided to try and reach 2k within the next couple of weeks. Hope i at least reach plat lol.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 17 2012 11:15 GMT
#616
On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:
On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !


play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).

Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death.

Thanks again to all you guys' responses

Drow has an abysmal animation, I'd say it's the second-worst in the entire game after Lina. Considering that LoL has incredibly easy animations, I really don't see Drow as a good choice.

Mirana to me is a far better choice because she can fill just about every role and her animation and range are both exceptional.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
August 17 2012 12:13 GMT
#617
on the topic of weird attack resets, nautilus W and fiora E comes to mind
cool beans
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 12:27:07
August 17 2012 12:25 GMT
#618
On August 17 2012 21:13 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
on the topic of weird attack resets, nautilus W and fiora E comes to mind


Dont they just reset timer on use? That's rather common; garen used to reset on- and post-use which is really uncommon. When optimally used you could land 3 really quick attacks (auto-q-auto), something the ability isn't balanced around.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 17 2012 12:47 GMT
#619
On August 17 2012 20:11 wussleeQ wrote:
I've decided to try and reach 2k within the next couple of weeks. Hope i at least reach plat lol.


It's a super fun road, believe you me.
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 17 2012 12:53 GMT
#620
On August 17 2012 20:05 Schwopzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:
On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !


play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).

Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death.

Thanks again to all you guys' responses


Getting used to not being able to deny and the laneflow that follows from that is pretty important; notions like if you autoattack your lane opponent top early you're going to push your lane and be vulnerable to jungle ganks are key to understand.

A big point of critique on what clickrush said is that he excludes supports from the champions that need farm; but even supports should get farm. Core support items like aegis & shurelyas can turn early teamfights; the faster you get them the better. This doesnt mean that you should compete with your carries for farm; but supports should salvage all the farm they can get.


as he comes from dota he understands this. supports get some farm there as well if it is available.

On August 17 2012 20:15 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 19:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On August 17 2012 18:56 clickrush wrote:
On August 17 2012 18:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
okay thanks for the tipps
In case I lose too often ,I shall return to bnet to own some scrubs !


play ap carries. they are similar to dota semicarries like mirana/storm/tinker etc. alot of ppl think that ap carries scale better than in dota when actually just their early game is a bit weaker and their lategame a bit stronger. But remember it is much harder to just win from ganking as everyone needs alot of farm even as a jungler and you dont lose gold if you die so you cant shut down players with just ganking while it is also much harder to kill stuff in lol. so basicly its alot more about getting a ton of farm on any champion except the supporter (there is only 1 supporter per team!).

Great, semicarries often were the heros of my choice anyway... I didnt realise you dont lose money when you die. Strange. Also you can't deny creeps, which really sux imo, but I'm sure that has been discussed to death.

Thanks again to all you guys' responses

Drow has an abysmal animation, I'd say it's the second-worst in the entire game after Lina. Considering that LoL has incredibly easy animations, I really don't see Drow as a good choice.

Mirana to me is a far better choice because she can fill just about every role and her animation and range are both exceptional.


also drow and ashe are played completely differently mechanics wise since you can orbwalk in dota. I still remember when I played the LoL tutorial and was confused while trying to orbwalk with ashe. I thought there must be something wrong with my keybindings or something lol.

If these are the things I had to learn the hard way when I started to play LoL comming from dota:
- ganking/roaming is far less important/efficient.
- it matters far less where and when you place wards since they cost no money and have no limit. mapcontrol is achieved by being able to play aggressively as a team and getting oracles (snowball from laneing phase) and not by smarter ward placement and counterwarding.
- turrets hurt alot more and there is no way to deaggro them.
- alot of supports feel throughout weak on their own as they dont have that huge early game advantage like dota supports also there is only 1 support per team, the rest are semicarries.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
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