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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
It gets Coil + Intimidate which makes it a pretty good tanky attacker Moveset: -Coil -Gunk Shot(accuracy is made up by Coil) -Earthquake(good coverage) -Glare(for extra CC), Sucker Punch(good priority), or Seed Bomb(coverage vs Rock/Ground) Adamant Nature/252 Atk/252Spd/4HP EVs | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On August 17 2012 12:11 UniversalSnip wrote: I don't mean to drag things off topic but do people really play R/B/Y competitively? Even as a kid it didn't seem remotely balanced to me, psychic types just explode everything. The R/B/Y metagame is actually alright as long as you keep mewtwo and mew out. There are like only 20 viable pokemon but out of 150 (many of which aren't even fully evolved) it's not bad. http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/ Also, new players to LoL will primarily only run into free week champions at first, since no one their level can afford anything else. This kind of gives an incremental way to learn champions for new players. EDIT: also gamefaqs guides to pokemon are generally quite out of date, smogon usually has the current state of the metagame pretty well updated. If you sort the above link by "tier" you can see what pokemon are generally considered good (OU = overused, UU = underused, NU = never used) | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 17 2012 12:38 Dark_Chill wrote: Why is Persian there? Never thought that cool cat would be overused. His base stats don't even seem to justify him being there. Remember that RBY had a very shallow pool of Pokemon to choose from. Had high base Speed to go faster than things like Starmie (remember that there weren't Personalities/Natures and EVs and stuff) and STAB for Hyperbeam. Oh and random crits. Anyway. Let's say Riot had champion pools for Season Events. How do you think it would play out? | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
On August 17 2012 12:47 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Remember that RBY had a very shallow pool of Pokemon to choose from. Had high base Speed to go faster than things like Starmie (remember that there weren't Personalities/Natures and EVs and stuff) and STAB for Hyperbeam. Oh and random crits. Anyway. Let's say Riot had champion pools for Season Events. How do you think it would play out? If I remember correctly, wasn't RBY the gen where they had crits get partly influenced by speed, which is why Persian was so stupid? | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
I feel cheated. Somebody give me back my wasted minutes | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On August 17 2012 12:53 Apex wrote: If I remember correctly, wasn't RBY the gen where they had crits get partly influenced by speed, which is why Persian was so stupid? Yeah the higher the speed you had, the higher the crit chance you had. Jolteon, Tauros, Dodrio, and Fearow were also really broken because they almost got crits on every attack they did | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 17 2012 08:57 Seuss wrote: For example, even though he isn't a frequent pick I find Zilean's kit amazingly cohesive and well designed. But you can be certain that if Riot remade him they'd shy away from abilities that act as pure utility. His Rewind might come paired with mana regen or CDR, and his Time Warp might gain damage over time when cast on an opponent. For whatever reason "pure" abilities are no longer kosher, which I find odd and saddening. I'd like to disagree here respectfully. I believe Riot knows the initial core design of a champion they've created, and attempt to keep those signature skills intact. There's a reason Jax still has his dodge even though they purposefully removed that mechanic entirely from the game. There's a reason Katarina still has her ult, even though it is way too difficult to properly balance the champion due to it. Same with Eve/Twitch reworks. I do not think they will touch a champion like Zilean in that manner. Also even though there's a lot of negativity towards reworks, they honestly do not do as bad a job as the overall community thinks. I still remember hearing the whine about Jax rework from TL especially, and seeing people cry about it here. Now, his design is considered very powerful. I also remember someone from PBE joining in here to explain why they felt Jax was strong, but their feedback was essentially ignored by TL. Actually ignored is putting it nicely. I believe there was animosity from people here instead. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
I also remember someone from PBE joining in here to explain why they felt Jax was strong, but their feedback was essentially ignored by TL. Actually ignored is putting it nicely. I believe there was animosity from people instead. You are referring to changes to his ult (not the champion remake), which A) was pretty much a wash in terms of power level (same patch, big buff to counterstrike and I think something else, that's what broke him) and B) I think like one person was rude and everyone else told him to pipe down. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 17 2012 07:05 Perplex wrote: How is riot's business model sustainable? Sure they'll make tons of money off champs for the next year or two, but there will come a point in which it's just rediculous. They will HAVE to stop making champions eventually (think 200-300+ champs). When they do, I don't think the money they make off skins will be enough. I also think a lot of people will stop playing once they don't have any patches to look forward to every few weeks Where do you guys think Riot will go from there? Will they try to develop a new game to stay afloat, or will they somehow save LoL? Late reply as I've had a busy day but people are kind of still talking about his anyway so whatever. I brought this up once and SmashGizmo commented on the possibility of Riot handling competitive and ranked play the way competitive card games like Magic the Gathering do. Retiring entire "champion sets" for ranked/comp play. It would allow Riot to continually release champions to keep the game alive while letting players continue to play their old favorites in normals. Riot could even do "re-works" or essentially re-releases of older champions to bring some of the more iconic ones back into use. Even if they don't do that they could still function without releasing new champions. It only starts at creating new skins and skin concepts. After they're done with champion design their champion design teams will likely be converted into various game, skin, and balance design teams. I'm sure Riot can come up with plenty of stuff to help generate revenue once they've released every champion. From new announcers to UI skins to possible texture packs for SR to physical merchandise... there's a lot they could do to generate money without introducing new champions. But yes, obviously without the release of new champions the game would probably die off eventually but with the popularity of LoL I don't think this will happen for a long time. Finally, I believe I read somewhere that Riot had aspirations to make an MMO but at the very least I know for a fact that Riot has said they do intend to release future games after LoL is "finished." | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
There have been some really good champion designs this year like Lulu and Leona. Leona in particular is such a clean and crisp design and I love playing her so much. And some really iconic champions came out that people become attached to like Nocturne and Lee Sin (although admitedly some of the initial numbers were off a bit). But that shouldn't detract from the design. Also, it's hard to make big changes right before the Season 2 Championships. Remember that Masteries only got revamped after Season 1. LoL is also a pretty young game and a lot of problems such as top lane issus and itemisation will get better as time progresses. I have a lot of faith in the Design and Balance Teams. (I will be the first to admit I am biased though.) | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 17 2012 13:11 UniversalSnip wrote: You are referring to changes to his ult (not the champion remake), which A) was pretty much a wash in terms of power level (same patch, big buff to counterstrike and I think something else, that's what broke him) and B) I think like one person was rude and everyone else told him to pipe down. I'm relatively sure it was posted after the full remake was released(I admit my memory is bad though, so I'll go look it up). Otherwise that person might have gotten into some trouble. It was not just the ult change. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316556¤tpage=196#3909 (March 17th) Jax rework was announced early January and released around the same time: youtube.com/watch?v=B18qApcVCRg | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 17 2012 12:25 thenexusp wrote: The R/B/Y metagame is actually alright as long as you keep mewtwo and mew out. There are like only 20 viable pokemon but out of 150 (many of which aren't even fully evolved) it's not bad. http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/ Also, new players to LoL will primarily only run into free week champions at first, since no one their level can afford anything else. This kind of gives an incremental way to learn champions for new players. EDIT: also gamefaqs guides to pokemon are generally quite out of date, smogon usually has the current state of the metagame pretty well updated. If you sort the above link by "tier" you can see what pokemon are generally considered good (OU = overused, UU = underused, NU = never used) Hasn't changed that much. My Eggecutor/Chansey/Alakazam/Tauros +2 (usually starmie + a physical sweeper) lineup still seems like its pretty good. I was never a fan of Persian, hes just a worse Tauros imo. I just brought it up, because I went to a comp a long time ago when I was in ~ 6th/7th grade and basically only faced kids with the mediocre lineup I described. Got like a huge set of free pkmn cards for it. I didn't play the cards though, so I don't really know why I wanted them. Edit, back on point, there needs to be only a small tier of viable champs for the game to continue to be balanced. Whether it is by retiring champs from competitive play or just making some bad intentionally, people are going to be upset. The only good thing about the retiring option, is it will force Riot to make some of the current 6300 champs cheaper if they retire a bunch of the cheap ones. The fact is though, that doing that will probably break normals because you'll have like Ryze retired, and they will buff Archangel's mana/AP ratio scaling or something, and he will just poop on people, or something like that. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 17 2012 13:18 sylverfyre wrote: Pokemon general discussion thread. I see. LoL is pretty much Pokemon anyways. There's an electric rat, a giant dragon (sometimes Dark, sometimes Fire), and HitmonLee Sin. Edit: Make that last one a skin plz Riot. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Evo running: Salce on Rumble top, Nhat Soraka mid, Blitz jungle, wings lee sin and mashme j4 bot | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
http://zeronis.deviantart.com/art/Syndra-the-Dark-Sovereign-321638861 ![[image loading]](http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/229/6/3/syndra_the_dark_sovereign__by_zeronis-d5bhu4t.jpg) | ||
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
On August 17 2012 13:28 emperorchampion wrote: Hahahaha such an amazing game between Evo and Curse! Evo running: Salce on Rumble top, Nhat Soraka mid, Blitz jungle, wings lee sin and mashme j4 bot Bit of context for this: ESL Pro series gives each team two bans in pre-game lobby. Out of the combined 10 bans, 8 were on AD carries. Kog, Twitch, Varus, Draven, Urgot and MF were left unbanned. Curse picked Varus. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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