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On August 18 2012 02:26 greggy wrote:
playing support is all fine and dandy but problem is that you, yourself, do not carry the game. you cannot 1v2 people like if you were a proper carry, you set someone up to do this.
just last game, I was soraka with mf vs graves/taric (down to 1050 elo from 1150, hue). all of those three were godawful, missed cs everywhere with no harass, no jungler intervention or anything either. so we're doing alright, i'm being generally useful and not feeding, clearing wards, etc. we're 25-10 up, and my entire team goes full retard, decides to go 3v5 at baron, dies, gives the opposing team a baron, comes back, dies again, score's now 25-18, push vs baron buff, die again and lose. I was like 0-1-15, but because the carries are dumb as shit, you can't save them and you lose.
Wrong thread.
Support can carry, you don't play well enough.
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On August 18 2012 02:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 02:26 greggy wrote:
playing support is all fine and dandy but problem is that you, yourself, do not carry the game. you cannot 1v2 people like if you were a proper carry, you set someone up to do this.
just last game, I was soraka with mf vs graves/taric (down to 1050 elo from 1150, hue). all of those three were godawful, missed cs everywhere with no harass, no jungler intervention or anything either. so we're doing alright, i'm being generally useful and not feeding, clearing wards, etc. we're 25-10 up, and my entire team goes full retard, decides to go 3v5 at baron, dies, gives the opposing team a baron, comes back, dies again, score's now 25-18, push vs baron buff, die again and lose. I was like 0-1-15, but because the carries are dumb as shit, you can't save them and you lose. I heard you shouldn't even play support at that kind of Elo.
Kill lane supports are honestly best, because people don't know how to position, lane control, or deal with harass. Leona and Blitz rock at low levels, but you can also do silly bullshit like double AD or Sion/Fiddle support, just do a bunch of damage and CC.
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I've played some support at 1200 1300 elo, what I did is make sure my AD carry got farmed and control fights(good ults/peel for carry etc).
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you can definitely carry low elo as support. just play janna, alistar, or taric. i've had tones of games where our team's score is 25 and i'm 1-0-24. you just gotta make shit happen. with janna, saving your teammates is the best thing ever. deny the other team gold when your team goes donkey style. janna > donkey style, you can actively force your teammates to win
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On August 18 2012 01:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 00:55 Conversion wrote:
i've queued up/against so far with 5HITCOMBO and soloside
must seek more people!! You're more than welcome to try and snipe me. Just brush up on your vs. Viktor game ;P
i think mid is the only role i actively try to avoid since im so godawful at it
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On August 18 2012 02:21 kainzero wrote:
i think there's too much of this "everyone on LoL is dumb so I have to carry the team" mentality. i keep seeing questions on AMA or on stream chat of "how do i get out of low ELO, which characters do i play to carry the team." and i really think what you need to do is just play your own character well and instead of just assuming everyone is an idiot you need to be able to concentrate and read the tendencies of your opponents and teammates and play off of them instead of assuming they'll make plays you expect them to make.
as far as support goes, you can help your team win like you can in the other roles. wards and oracles naturally set up ambushes. in lanes you mostly poke, initiate or peel.
"if my ad sucks then i'm useless."
it's the same with any lane too. if your jungler sucks and you're top and baits you badly, you're 0-2 and you're practically useless. if mid sucks badly and the enemy mid wanders a lot, the other lanes get screwed over too. if you're ad and your support sucks you're useless. top is snowbally too so you can complain as your useless 20 cs top feeds a darius who wanders and kills everything.
Part of the problem is that players don't understand what "carrying" is. Going 5-0 mid, top, or bottom is not carrying. Roaming when it's advantageous, securing objectives, protecting teammates, grouping up, warding, and making calls whether you're 5-0 or 0-5 is carrying. Winning your lane is meaningless if you don't do anything with that advantage, and don't have your priorities straight after the laning phase is over.
On August 18 2012 02:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you can definitely carry low elo as support. just play janna, alistar, or taric. i've had tones of games where our team's score is 25 and i'm 1-0-24. you just gotta make shit happen. with janna, saving your teammates is the best thing ever. deny the other team gold when your team goes donkey style. janna > donkey style, you can actively force your teammates to win
You can definitely carry other Elos as support as well. When I first hit 1600 it was largely from playing supports with only the occasional jungler.
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On August 18 2012 02:26 greggy wrote:
playing support is all fine and dandy but problem is that you, yourself, do not carry the game. you cannot 1v2 people like if you were a proper carry, you set someone up to do this.
just last game, I was soraka with mf vs graves/taric (down to 1050 elo from 1150, hue). all of those three were godawful, missed cs everywhere with no harass, no jungler intervention or anything either. so we're doing alright, i'm being generally useful and not feeding, clearing wards, etc. we're 25-10 up, and my entire team goes full retard, decides to go 3v5 at baron, dies, gives the opposing team a baron, comes back, dies again, score's now 25-18, push vs baron buff, die again and lose. I was like 0-1-15, but because the carries are dumb as shit, you can't save them and you lose.
I lol'ed.
If you cannot carry as a support, you can't play support properly and should maybe re-consider your role of choice for ranked instead of spilling out something i find to be utter ignorance.
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On August 18 2012 02:46 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 01:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On August 18 2012 00:55 Conversion wrote:
i've queued up/against so far with 5HITCOMBO and soloside
must seek more people!! You're more than welcome to try and snipe me. Just brush up on your vs. Viktor game ;P i think mid is the only role i actively try to avoid since im so godawful at it
Oh, don't worry. I don't spend all my time there. I come find you O_O
On August 18 2012 02:55 Seuss wrote:
You can definitely carry other Elos as support as well. When I first hit 1600 it was largely from playing supports with only the occasional jungler.
You yourself witnessed at least a couple Janna games I carried, and that's at plat level.
If you think you can't carry with support, you're doing it wrong.
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I don't think it's impossible, just much, much harder to carry as jungle or support. You influence the game, set things up, give vision, etc, but in the end you need a team to follow up on it. If they don't (which happens often), you've wasted your time at the best and are out in the cold, dead, at worst.
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I discovered that Jungle Amumu is the best thing ever if you wanna carry out of the jungle. Just build a bit more damage early game, went something like 6-0-15 last game because after lvl 6, pretty much every gank is a kill with your ult =D
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By the way, if anyone is interested, I'm looking for a duo ranked partner in the 1400ish elo range on the NA server. I want to grind a bunch of games over the weekend and get as close to 1650 elo as possible. I can play all positions fairly reasonably and have fairly good instincts.
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Hi!
I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...
Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.
Thanks!
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On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!
I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...
Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.
Thanks!
I was plat on SC2 when I was playing and currently bronze on LoL
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On August 18 2012 03:23 HeroHenry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!
I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...
Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.
Thanks! I was plat on SC2 when I was playing and currently bronze on LoL
diamond in SC2 and hovering high silver low gold but i kinda shy away from ranked.
Theres a bit of luck played into the matchmaking. However doing well just increases your chances of winning a lot more than a bit of luck.
But SC2 skill kinda has an impact ive noticed. My friends who are gold and under are in the 1300s and below and cant get out and people in Masters generally are able to hit Gold with a breeze.
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On August 18 2012 03:09 Requizen wrote:
I don't think it's impossible, just much, much harder to carry as jungle or support. You influence the game, set things up, give vision, etc, but in the end you need a team to follow up on it. If they don't (which happens often), you've wasted your time at the best and are out in the cold, dead, at worst.
You can say this about literally every single role though. Obviously if your laners suck to a horrifying degree then what you can accomplish as the jungler becomes limited because it is harder to pull things off that you usually should be able to with your team, but the opposite is the same too. If your jungler sucks then it doesn't matter how well you set up ganks for your jungler. You can say the same about support too. A shit support can single handedly fuck up your AD carry's laning and make things much more difficult for your entire team in the midgame and on by providing shit vision and abysmal teamfighting utility.
Honestly, it all just comes down to how well you can actually play your role. A lot of people just can't jungle or support well so when they loes games playing those roles they can just convenienty say, "oh, well, you can't carry as hard doing this or that." You can carry games hard even playing "support" junglers like Maokai and "passive" supports like Soraka.
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On August 18 2012 03:09 Requizen wrote:
I don't think it's impossible, just much, much harder to carry as jungle or support. You influence the game, set things up, give vision, etc, but in the end you need a team to follow up on it. If they don't (which happens often), you've wasted your time at the best and are out in the cold, dead, at worst.
Um.... What?
Jungle is the single easiest role to carry with, if you know what you're doing and completely outclass the enemy jungler it's almost impossible to lose.
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On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!
I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...
Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.
Thanks!
After ranking matches, most people are around 1200 to 1300 ELO. I think Plat is around 2k.
Basically, Bronze is top 25%, Silver 10%, Gold 3%, Plat .2%.
On August 18 2012 03:28 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 03:09 Requizen wrote:
I don't think it's impossible, just much, much harder to carry as jungle or support. You influence the game, set things up, give vision, etc, but in the end you need a team to follow up on it. If they don't (which happens often), you've wasted your time at the best and are out in the cold, dead, at worst. Um.... What? Jungle is the single easiest role to carry with, if you know what you're doing and completely outclass the enemy jungler it's almost impossible to lose.
Eh, maybe just my experience then. Come teamfights, I feel that I have much more of an impact playing a damage dealer than a Bruiser.
Then again, I have pretty good win rates as Jungle Jax, which is fun when I just snowball and go Jax mode. I find it much harder to carry as Naut, since he needs a team to follow up his CC. Depressing when I go in to gank and the laners don't even notice I'm there until all my CC has been used up.
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On August 18 2012 03:29 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!
I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...
Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.
Thanks! After ranking matches, most people are around 1200 to 1300 ELO. I think Plat is around 2k. Basically, Bronze is top 25%, Silver 10%, Gold 3%, Plat .2%.
Sorry let me restate:
How do SC2 Leagues relate to LoL Leauges?
Based on the numbers you give, it sounds like
LOL > SC2
Bronze > Plat
Silver > Diamond
Gold > Masters
Plat > GM
Does this sound about right?
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On August 18 2012 03:33 quillian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 03:29 Requizen wrote:On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!
I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...
Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.
Thanks! After ranking matches, most people are around 1200 to 1300 ELO. I think Plat is around 2k. Basically, Bronze is top 25%, Silver 10%, Gold 3%, Plat .2%. Sorry let me restate: How to SC2 Leagues relate to LoL Leauges? Based on the numbers you give, it sounds like LOL > SC2 Bronze > Plat Silver > Diamond Gold > Masters Plat > GM Does this sound about right?
More or less. People say Plat is the point where you realize how bad you are and start to improve, that's about the same for Bronze in LoL. Plat and up is basically Bronze and up, the point where people mostly start to tryhard. Doesn't stop there from being trolls in high leagues, though.
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On August 18 2012 03:33 quillian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 03:29 Requizen wrote:On August 18 2012 03:22 quillian wrote:
Hi!
I am a longtime sc2 player and newish LoL player. I am curious if anyone can explain how ELO rankings work in terms of SC2 leagues. For instance, is 1400 the equivalent of diamond, 1500 masters, 1200 Gold, etc...
Just trying to get a handle on how hard it is to rank up in LoL vs SC2.
Thanks! After ranking matches, most people are around 1200 to 1300 ELO. I think Plat is around 2k. Basically, Bronze is top 25%, Silver 10%, Gold 3%, Plat .2%. Sorry let me restate: How to SC2 Leagues relate to LoL Leauges? Based on the numbers you give, it sounds like LOL > SC2 Bronze > Plat Silver > Diamond Gold > Masters Plat > GM Does this sound about right?
Sure-ish. The biggest difference is that it's 5v5 > 1v1. This can make ranking up more difficult/frustrating if you perceive your losses to be out of your hands. But has DoubleLift said "You don't play solo queue to improve your team. You play solo queue to improve yourself." (too lazy to find source, moonbear has it)
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