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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 16 2012 08:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: anyone else think it's cute they reworked Garen and Katarina in the same patch :3 dat lore., nice catch, i didn't even notice. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On August 16 2012 08:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: anyone else think it's cute they reworked Garen and Katarina in the same patch :3 Yeah but then they rewrote Kats lore and it looks like shit. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2012 08:39 Feartheguru wrote: Ok, just no. People always say this and guess what? No one plays him. No he is not a situational pick, and no he's not worth picking 4th or 5th. He literally has a pillar and nothing else, his whole kid is pure garbage except one spell. There are always people that argue for underpowered niche champs being situational but TheOddOne's description was right on the money. "Trundle and Sejuani are not situational, they're just garbage". Why should I trust TOO on the subject when he makes an assessment without bothering to learn to play the champion correctly? Not a big surprise that Trundle feels like a trash champion to play when you build him with some garbage Wriggles->gp10->Triforce build. On August 16 2012 08:39 Feartheguru wrote: Remember the poke comp.? Cait/Nid/Kog/Janna, if Trundle is situational, isn't this exactly the situation? Guess what? They're rather pick champs like Maokai. Please give me a realistic situation where no champ outshines Trundle and tell me why he's not picked in that situation because I haven't seen trundle in a game or on stream for months. Because everyone has these trash builds ingrained into their heads and play him incorrectly? It's not exactly uncommon that a strong champion will go undiscovered because people play him incorrectly. Everyone thought Ezzy was the worst AD carry in the game until people learned from Chinese teams and started using W-max builds to crush lanes. As far as I'm concerned, I've only ever seen two competitive players play and build Trundle correctly: Jatt, and Lilballz. And both players were/are wildly successful with Trundle when they choose to play him and pick him into the right comp. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:06 schmutttt wrote: Yeah but then they rewrote Kats lore and it looks like shit. To match her Shunpo now. On August 16 2012 09:13 TheYango wrote: Why should I trust TOO on the subject when he makes an assessment without bothering to learn to play the champion correctly? Not a big surprise that Trundle feels like a trash champion to play when you build him with some garbage Wriggles->gp10->Triforce build. Because everyone has these trash builds ingrained into their heads and play him incorrectly? It's not exactly uncommon that a strong champion will go undiscovered because people play him incorrectly. Everyone thought Ezzy was the worst AD carry in the game until people learned from Chinese teams and started using W-max builds to crush lanes. As far as I'm concerned, I've only ever seen two competitive players play and build Trundle correctly: Jatt, and Lilballz. And both players were/are wildly successful with Trundle when they choose to play him and pick him into the right comp. Big surprise, build Trundle CDR for damage early on. It's not like that's what makes him broken OP. He's just a mediocre champ who has other who outshine him. Playing him is a downgrade 99% of the time. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
Teemo, Irelia, Jarmander, Urgot (non-manamune), Koggles, Meowkai | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:17 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Other examples of champions that only caught on when people finally figured them out: Teemo, Irelia, Jarmander, Urgot (non-manamune), Koggles, Meowkai Riven, Shyvana, and Nautilus are big recent ones, I would say. I guess Ezreal fits in here too. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:24 0123456789 wrote: Topic up for discussion. Why are there so many little kids in this game. Free to play is probably a big part of it—you don't need mom or dad's credit card to hop online and game. Also, it's the most popular online game, so you have a lot of people and a lot of them are kids. The kids tend to stick out more because of how often they talk/troll. They may not be a proportionally larger demographic than teenagers and young adults, but your brain remembers negative experiences more often than positive ones so they stick out more. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:24 0123456789 wrote: Topic up for discussion. Why are there so many little kids in this game. because its free. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:13 TheYango wrote: Why should I trust TOO on the subject when he makes an assessment without bothering to learn to play the champion correctly? Not a big surprise that Trundle feels like a trash champion to play when you build him with some garbage Wriggles->gp10->Triforce build. Because everyone has these trash builds ingrained into their heads and play him incorrectly? It's not exactly uncommon that a strong champion will go undiscovered because people play him incorrectly. Everyone thought Ezzy was the worst AD carry in the game until people learned from Chinese teams and started using W-max builds to crush lanes. As far as I'm concerned, I've only ever seen two competitive players play and build Trundle correctly: Jatt, and Lilballz. And both players were/are wildly successful with Trundle when they choose to play him and pick him into the right comp. You got me curious now, how do you build him? I'd tend to go philo early on for Q spam and later shurelya to help him engage/disengage, and mallet/aegis if I need to go tanky, triforce/GA if I need to do damage. The "do damage" part is probably wrong, but most comps require me to play tanky anyway. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:36 Alaric wrote: You got me curious now, how do you build him? I'd tend to go philo early on for Q spam and later shurelya to help him engage/disengage, and mallet/aegis if I need to go tanky, triforce/GA if I need to do damage. The "do damage" part is probably wrong, but most comps require me to play tanky anyway. Wriggles+Tabi/Mercs+Visage is the common core to how both Jatt and Lilballz played him. Provides a basic mix of your defensive stats and gets you started on CDR. Wriggle's is necessary because since you build minimal damage for a long time, you need the proc to maintain your farming ability through mid-lategame. After that, you focus on defensive/CDR/utility items. How you choose to get that is up to playstyle, personal preference, and how the game develops. Jatt preferred Shurelya's and Aegis, while Lilballz seems to buy Frozen or Randuin's more often. Damage only comes as your 5th or 6th item. Triforce is the safe, well-rounded option, while Black Cleaver and Bloodrazor are both situational options. Trundle's power development suits going full defense into one all-in damage item lategame, rather than a bunch of half-defense items along the way like Mallet or Wit's. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:13 Zdrastochye wrote: Big surprise, build Trundle CDR for damage early on. It's not like that's what makes him broken OP. He's just a mediocre champ who has other who outshine him. Playing him is a downgrade 99% of the time. This hits the nail on the head. I love trundle. He was my favorite jungler for a while. His problems are simply too numerous. Any of his redeeming qualities can be matched by other junglers that also do things better than he does. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
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Vingle
Canada86 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:18 AsmodeusXI wrote: Ugh. Hey, is Poppy a rough lane for all AD people top, or am I just SUPES BAD with Jayce. I farmed fine, but I couldn't stop her from doing anything... Eventually she just killed other lanes no matter what I did and I would die, but before that... no idea what to do. Can you give some more specific information on what happened? Did you play passive? Did you get camped? Poppy isn't known for her stellar laning, as she can't push or farm, so I'm not sure how she would win against a Jayce. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 16 2012 09:49 Dark_Chill wrote: How would Trundle be buffed anyways? I find his problems stem from low ganking power (compared to a lot of the top junglers) and low clear speed, but how would that be changed without changing his kit around? It's something I've thought about a lot and I haven't been able to figure it out without sweeping changes. Reduction in his CD's and mana cost might make him be able to fly around faster by dropping W's more frequently to get to lanes/jungle camps and still being able to spam Q frequently in the jungle to help clear speeds. Those would keep his playstyle the same w/o a major overhaul that might make him more viable. Even then I don't think he'd be anything special, but you never know. Maybe even turning his W into a direct steroid might help him out a good deal (maybe even too much on that, but hard to say). | ||
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