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On August 16 2012 06:29 LoCicero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
loci, what are your thoughts on garen? From what I can tell, still bad. He really just seems to be a bad version of Darius. Riven seems just better than Garen too. Garen needs more AD ratios like Riven if they actually want him to scale into late game. The whole point of the buff was to make his late game better but they didn't add a ratio to Demacian Justice or Courage. Judgement is so bad that I can't see garen being strong any time soon imo. It just doesn't have enough utility. We'll see though I've only played a couple games with him and my team has pretty much lost them for me.
Also, post more than once a week.
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On August 16 2012 06:28 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:25 Antyee wrote:On August 16 2012 06:13 Requizen wrote:
Good, didn't waste my IP when I got home then, was going to get her for some testing. Back to Darius and Jax jungle~ I thought Darius was a terrible jungler, but then I had one on my team and I happened to play Singed. You can throw-pull someone from his top tower into the top riverbrush/tribrush. Double slow and Double DoTs for the kill (Y) I thought he was trash because I was playing him like Naut or whatever, and then I realized I should just walk around and fuck people up with an axe. Works out pretty well a lot of the time.
Maybe this was the problem when I tried him out.
Guess I'll just imagine he's Jarvan.
On another note, I still think that he's a soloQ-only champ and can be easily dealt with if you use your head.
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The problem I see with Garen (and with the "AD caster" concept in general) is that Riot is intent on making their AD-scaling abilities scale into lategame. The problem is that the linear-scaling of AD-scaling abilities simply can't match up against the cubic scaling of simply right-clicking people. Which means that unless those abilities carry significant utility (Judgment doesn't) they're going to be dead weight lategame. That, or Riot buffs them to the point where they're absurdly OP.
This should be fine if Riot chooses to properly tailor the champ's kit toward midgame strength, where the ability's base damage offers a significant advantage over autoattack damage. But for some reason, Riot refuses to do this, and tries to force a character kit that's pretty much unsuitable for lategame teamfighting into lategame, making a character that's just awkward at all phases of the game.
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He pretty much is, and can really be locked down and zoned out due to his non-existent mobility and low-ish pull range. That said, you can build him pretty much straight tank (I prefer Merc/Wriggle/Phage/Aegis out of the jungle into FM/Randuin/Banshee or Maw/GA) and still be scary as fuck, which means you can take a lot of punishment and allow your team to do the rest of the work. It's not horrid.
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this is like 3rd new champion in 3 weeks? Riot might as well release a new champ every hour.....
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Scaling of ad casters is fine because you target squishies. There's cubic EHP (hp, resists, attack speed slow) to balance out AD carries to some extent. The issue is garen has no real gap closers meaning he can't target squishies easily but he doesn't do enough damage or tank enough damage to be a front liner.
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On August 16 2012 06:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
this is like 3rd new champion in 3 weeks? Riot might as well release a new champ every hour.....
Assuming he comes out next Tuesday, it's just back to 1 champ every 2 weeks. 2 (Jayce and Zyra) last month, 2 (Diana Rengar) this month. It just feels so close because
a) we see a lot of previews and they're up on PBE forever
and
b) there was more than a month between Draven and Jayce
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On August 16 2012 05:18 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 05:15 TheKefka wrote:On August 16 2012 05:09 Doctorbeat wrote:
Saint jungling Kat still.
Her clears are pretty damn slow
On August 16 2012 04:15 JackDino wrote:
New kat clears ridiculously fast. AAAAAAAA The possibilities.. Heh. I'm just going by what I've seen from saint. He also started boots+3 instead of cloth+5, which saint complained about making him way slower.
So was I lol when I watched him he almost instantly cleared small camps.
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I really do miss the days when champs weren't datamined more than their name, and then suddenly had a sneak peek 3 days before they came out. PBE testing is more thorough, but it was nice.
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No talk about Syndra yet?
'Cause she looks like a convoluted fuck of a champion. As someone in LP put it today: "Like Orianna on crack."
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On August 16 2012 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
No talk about Syndra yet?
'Cause she looks like a convoluted fuck of a champion. As someone in LP put it today: "Like Orianna on crack."
There was some chat on page 6. Haven't been able to watch any videos, but sounds interesting at least.
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poor trundle, everybody forgot he was there.
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On August 16 2012 06:59 Garhf wrote:
poor trundle, everybody forgot he was there.
His best move looks like a giant booger, that and the "easy" bots consistently demonstrate how bad he is for ppl rushing for a fwotd.
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On August 16 2012 06:20 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:12 Gorsameth wrote:On August 16 2012 06:07 overt wrote:
"fuck this game katarina sucks"
saint pretty big change of heart. As a jungler i agree with him tho. Just find it funny that yesterday on his twitter he wrote that Katarina will be broken in the jungle. Then, after one day of playing her, concludes that she sucks.
I'm not particularly surprised. It typically takes me 10-20 minutes to find a workable setup for a new jungler (without CA, I loath any jungler who must start CA), and from there I'm just optimizing. It took hours to find a setup for Kat, and I'm still debating whether I can call what I found "workable".
I might find something yet, or work out a build/playstyle that makes her worthwhile even if she must start CA, but I'm pretty skeptical that there's anything to find at this point.
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On August 16 2012 07:06 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:20 overt wrote:On August 16 2012 06:12 Gorsameth wrote:On August 16 2012 06:07 overt wrote:
"fuck this game katarina sucks"
saint pretty big change of heart. As a jungler i agree with him tho. Just find it funny that yesterday on his twitter he wrote that Katarina will be broken in the jungle. Then, after one day of playing her, concludes that she sucks. I'm not particularly surprised. It typically takes me 10-20 minutes to find a workable setup for a new jungler (without CA, I loath any jungler who must start CA), and from there I'm just optimizing. It took hours to find a setup for Kat, and I'm still debating whether I can call what I found "workable". I might find something yet, or work out a build/playstyle that makes her worthwhile even if she must start CA, but I'm pretty skeptical that there's anything to find at this point.
Katarina jungle is probably going to be like Shyana except Katarina has like 400 less HP.
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On August 16 2012 07:03 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:59 Garhf wrote:
poor trundle, everybody forgot he was there. His best move looks like a giant booger, that and the "easy" bots consistently demonstrate how bad he is for ppl rushing for a fwotd.
If I remember well, some Rioter confirmed that they will remake his ulti's visually.
Else: I think making his ult scale off AD (the damage part) and making the statsteal a flat amount instead of percentage would make him quite good and not that teamcomp-reliant. I mean, slow carry, run at him, steal ALL the armor and do some serious damage with AA-Q.
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Except he sucks at farming the jungle, doesn't do that great with farm (a lot of his late game awesomeness is in his utility,) but he needs to be tanky. Putting him top means you need a high damage jungler, putting him jungle means you have a slow jungler.
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On August 16 2012 06:55 Requizen wrote:
I really do miss the days when champs weren't datamined more than their name, and then suddenly had a sneak peek 3 days before they came out. PBE testing is more thorough, but it was nice.
I liked that as well, and I feel that it caused me to impulse buy far more champs because well... there was more to be impulsive about, you didn't really know anything.
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On August 16 2012 07:24 Bladeorade wrote:
Except he sucks at farming the jungle, doesn't do that great with farm (a lot of his late game awesomeness is in his utility,) but he needs to be tanky. Putting him top means you need a high damage jungler, putting him jungle means you have a slow jungler.
He has no lategame "awesomeness" he's just a sack of meat with a pillar (which usually isn't even game changing lategame). Trundle is like known for not being able to carry even if he goes 7/0.
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rofl, i just played ez and got yelled at - and probably reported - for being super troll and such. i dared building triforce. pleasures of playing blind pick with friends who arent 30.
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