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On August 16 2012 05:09 Doctorbeat wrote:
Saint jungling Kat still.
It looks pretty weak tbh. Her clears are pretty damn slow, way slower than shyv/mundo. I mean, of course you get the odd triple reset and quad/penta, but overall I think she's a lot worse than similar junglers.
Maybe it's because Saint maxes Q first, if I'm seeing it correctly.
even if she has shunpo and stuff to gank no CC means they can just walk away right?
relying only on a red buff is still a lot less then like every other jungler in the game can offer
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What runes/mastery setup is optimal for the new jungle kat?
And what skill order? W->Q->E?
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I really dont understand why you would want to jungle kat. her ganks are pretty worthless and she doesnt scale nearly enough as other faster junglers
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On August 16 2012 05:19 MooMooMugi wrote:
What runes/mastery setup is optimal for the new jungle kat?
And what skill order? W->Q->E?
W->E->Q IMO. The CD on E scales WAY more aggressively than Q (14 sec->6 sec vs. 10 sec->8 sec). 14 seconds vs. 6 seconds on a blink skill is a pretty big deal.
On August 16 2012 05:19 Gorsameth wrote:
I really dont understand why you would want to jungle kat. her ganks are pretty worthless and she doesnt scale nearly enough as other faster junglers
You're underestimating how much value just having damage on ganks is, and she's probably got one of the scariest counterganks in the game (blow all CC starting up gank->Kat suddenly Shunpos in and ults).
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On August 16 2012 05:19 Gorsameth wrote:
I really dont understand why you would want to jungle kat. her ganks are pretty worthless and she doesnt scale nearly enough as other faster junglers
Because she's fun to play 
It's like people jungling Talon.
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On August 16 2012 04:11 HPoirot wrote:
Saint jungling Kat, holy shit she is ugly from the side.
Her hair, especially from blue side, is just so bad. Jesus.
Before her hair looked like a semi-sentient octopus had latched onto her head. Her hair isn't perfect now, but almost anything's an improvement over what it was before.
On August 16 2012 05:21 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 05:19 MooMooMugi wrote:
What runes/mastery setup is optimal for the new jungle kat?
And what skill order? W->Q->E? W->E->Q IMO. The CD on E scales WAY more aggressively than Q (14 sec->6 sec vs. 10 sec->8 sec). 14 seconds vs. 6 seconds on a blink skill is a pretty big deal.
I did the math on that question and it's pretty clear that for jungling W>E>Q is best.
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I have to say, saint is doing a good job solidifying kat's role as ap mid, and not the jungler.
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She doesn't look as fast as people thought indeed. Her W is on quite a short CD but deals very little damage to creeps actually. Shumpo and Boucing blades are on very high CD to be used more than once on a camp.
Considering she needs red and CC from lane to gank successfully, better play Shyvana.
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On August 16 2012 05:36 -Zoda- wrote:
She doesn't look as fast as people thought indeed. Her W is on quite a short CD but deals very little damage to creeps actually. Shumpo and Boucing blades are on very high CD to be used more than once on a camp.
Considering she needs red and CC from lane to gank successfully, better play Shyvana.
If you have a really bursty team that can blow squishies up guaranteed, I think she can work. Like an Ali/blitz support and a burst mage mid. And she should be ok against high heal champs like Mundo/Soraka/Voli.
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I've tuned into Saint's stream as he does Kat jungle but the games I tuned in he has been losing horribly. 1/14 this game. Kat jungle also seems really similar to Diana jungle except no CC.
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Obviously all about that Doran's blade first Kat, that's real secret to Kat jungle.
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +I always make it a priority to try dblade with any jungle, though.
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loci, what are your thoughts on garen?
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"fuck this game katarina sucks"
saint pretty big change of heart.
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On August 16 2012 06:07 overt wrote:
"fuck this game katarina sucks"
saint pretty big change of heart.
As a jungler i agree with him tho.
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Good, didn't waste my IP when I got home then, was going to get her for some testing. Back to Darius and Jax jungle~
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On August 16 2012 06:12 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:07 overt wrote:
"fuck this game katarina sucks"
saint pretty big change of heart. As a jungler i agree with him tho.
Just find it funny that yesterday on his twitter he wrote that Katarina will be broken in the jungle. Then, after one day of playing her, concludes that she sucks.
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On August 16 2012 06:13 Requizen wrote:
Good, didn't waste my IP when I got home then, was going to get her for some testing. Back to Darius and Jax jungle~
I thought Darius was a terrible jungler, but then I had one on my team and I happened to play Singed.
You can throw-pull someone from his top tower into the top riverbrush/tribrush. Double slow and Double DoTs for the kill (Y)
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On August 16 2012 06:20 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:12 Gorsameth wrote:On August 16 2012 06:07 overt wrote:
"fuck this game katarina sucks"
saint pretty big change of heart. As a jungler i agree with him tho. Just find it funny that yesterday on his twitter he wrote that Katarina will be broken in the jungle. Then, after one day of playing her, concludes that she sucks.
dat sensationalist volatility
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On August 16 2012 06:25 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 06:13 Requizen wrote:
Good, didn't waste my IP when I got home then, was going to get her for some testing. Back to Darius and Jax jungle~ I thought Darius was a terrible jungler, but then I had one on my team and I happened to play Singed. You can throw-pull someone from his top tower into the top riverbrush/tribrush. Double slow and Double DoTs for the kill (Y)
I thought he was trash because I was playing him like Naut or whatever, and then I realized I should just walk around and fuck people up with an axe. Works out pretty well a lot of the time.
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On August 16 2012 06:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
loci, what are your thoughts on garen?
From what I can tell, still bad. He really just seems to be a bad version of Darius. Riven seems just better than Garen too. Garen needs more AD ratios like Riven if they actually want him to scale into late game. The whole point of the buff was to make his late game better but they didn't add a ratio to Demacian Justice or Courage. Honestly even before the changes I thought his early game strength wasn't that great and they neutered his Q at early levels now. Judgement is so bad that I can't see garen being strong any time soon imo. It just doesn't have enough utility. We'll see though I've only played a couple games with him and my team has pretty much lost them for me.
Oh, and cooldowns are too long on him in general. Q should be 6.5 - 7 second cooldown with a 1.75 second silence imo.
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