EPTHe trashes bads almost as efficiently as Pantheon and dunks on casters and other champs for whom it's awkward to itemize early armor though.
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He trashes bads almost as efficiently as Pantheon and dunks on casters and other champs for whom it's awkward to itemize early armor though. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
he's held back because he deals only one type of damage -> physical | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On August 26 2012 21:55 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if wukong dealt magic damage he would be OP he's held back because he deals only one type of damage -> physical Make his ulti deal true damage. And refresh on kill. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
 there are ways around every flaw listed, check the wukong thread for some potentially underused item builds i came up with to deal with his poor defenses | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 26 2012 22:03 Kaniol wrote: Make his ulti deal true damage. And refresh on kill. not sure if srs.jpg | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 26 2012 21:55 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if wukong dealt magic damage he would be OP he's held back because he deals only one type of damage -> physical He has a % armor reduction skill though... | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On August 26 2012 20:29 Simberto wrote: If that works, it is pretty scary. But i doubt it does. Double empQ in your face is not a nice thing to happen to most squishies. Just tested it. It works. Press R, Press Q, leap, press Q, press Q for wtf levels of damage. It's important to get the order right though, if you Q before you press R you'll lose the extra empowered Q. Q buff lasts 5 seconds which is enough time to get repowered but is shorter than ult duration so you can't waste much time and IDK if you could still circumvent a ward with it. edit: to be clear it doesn't work as Tele describes as the ultimate only generates enough ferocity for 1 full bar. But if you have 1 full bar before you ult you can immediately Q and then get another full bar from the ult generation. | ||
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
On August 26 2012 21:00 TheKefka wrote: Malphite doesn't only dunk the carry he sticks on them and reduces their attack and movement speed to shit rendering them useless.Also his ult incredibly easy to land,it takes more skill to flash out of it than for you to hit it effectively,while wukongs ult is kinda hard to land on the carrys if you don't have flash up and they are not in a bad position. His ult has a ridic ap scale as well.Wukong is kinda meh imo,he looses to a lot of stuff top lane and unless he gets fed he's pretty hit and miss.You just exhaust wukong and watch how the poor monkey spins in place doing absolutely jack. This is the main thing with Malphite, it's a bit of different train of thought to Wukong. Whereas Malphite and Wukong can kill the carry or group of people, Malphite brings more utility in the attack speed slow to allow his allies to mop up. Wukong has a binary goal in just killing and certainly there are better champions out there that can do that e.g. Darius who also have stronger top lane match-ups. Wukong is good, but currently he's not the most ideal at the role. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12069 Posts
On August 26 2012 22:59 phyvo wrote: Just tested it. It works. Press R, Press Q, leap, press Q, press Q for wtf levels of damage. It's important to get the order right though, if you Q before you press R you'll lose the extra empowered Q. Q buff lasts 5 seconds which is enough time to get repowered but is shorter than ult duration so you can't waste much time and IDK if you could still circumvent a ward with it. edit: to be clear it doesn't work as Tele describes as the ultimate only generates enough ferocity for 1 full bar. But if you have 1 full bar before you ult you can immediately Q and then get another full bar from the ult generation. Now i am scared. That sound like very scary burst. Of course it is very situational because you have to plan around an attack during a small window of time 5 seconds in the future, but if you pull that off, if my math is correct, you can do: 2*EmpQ = 260 + 5AD Q= 130 + 1 AD W= 255m E= 240+0.7bonusAD =630+255m+6AD + 0.7bonusAD+ whatever AAs you are able to do. burst at level 18 pretty quickly, and out of stealth while leaping in on the enemy. That sounds like it would oneshot pretty much any carry if you have even small amounts of AD. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
It's the only way to bring everything in line. Nidalee ult true damage and refresh on kill gogo. As for wukong, I think he's a decent champion and I think if someone (not me) were good enough to use his clone correctly he could do well in a lot of lanes, but otherwise he just gets bullied too much. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On August 27 2012 01:40 Simberto wrote: burst at level 18 pretty quickly, and out of stealth while leaping in on the enemy. That sounds like it would oneshot pretty much any carry if you have even small amounts of AD. It does. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On August 27 2012 01:40 Simberto wrote: Now i am scared. That sound like very scary burst. Of course it is very situational because you have to plan around an attack during a small window of time 5 seconds in the future, but if you pull that off, if my math is correct, you can do: 2*EmpQ = 260 + 5AD Q= 130 + 1 AD W= 255m E= 240+0.7bonusAD =630+255m+6AD + 0.7bonusAD+ whatever AAs you are able to do. burst at level 18 pretty quickly, and out of stealth while leaping in on the enemy. That sounds like it would oneshot pretty much any carry if you have even small amounts of AD. i didnt realize you could hit q and charge up another emp q. good work dudes. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 26 2012 21:49 Alaric wrote: His laning is good but he's a sustainless AD caster. He loses to pretty much any top laner with a combination of better sustained damage, sticking power, and sustain. Can't kill anybody who buys some armor and benefits from sustain. Also hard to use his best combo (aa->Q->aa->E->aa until the debuffs end) because it's very easy to disengage from it or deny Wu a lot of aa. He trashes bads almost as efficiently as Pantheon and dunks on casters and other champs for whom it's awkward to itemize early armor though. Technically Wukong should do fine against targets with armor if he uses APen Marks/Quints. The key thing to remember is that % Reduction is applied before Flat Penetration. If Wukong's opponent comes to lane with Cloth Armor, Armor Seals, and defensive masteries it's as if they only have 8-10 armor. The problem is this only applies if you can Q before E. Wukong's other issue is that he lacks sustain while also having low base health regen and armor. Mogwai's probably the best person to speak to why Wukong isn't popular/a good pick, but those are the things I've picked up on while trying to learn top lane. On August 26 2012 22:59 phyvo wrote: Just tested it. It works. Press R, Press Q, leap, press Q, press Q for wtf levels of damage. It's important to get the order right though, if you Q before you press R you'll lose the extra empowered Q. Q buff lasts 5 seconds which is enough time to get repowered but is shorter than ult duration so you can't waste much time and IDK if you could still circumvent a ward with it. edit: to be clear it doesn't work as Tele describes as the ultimate only generates enough ferocity for 1 full bar. But if you have 1 full bar before you ult you can immediately Q and then get another full bar from the ult generation. This would also explain Craton's 1600 damage. Double Empowered Q + Q with it maxed is 390 + 6.0 * AD in damage. You only need 200 total AD to hit that threshold, which is basically Necklace + Any other AD item. With Necklace + BT + LW Rengar could easily do 1600 damage to an AD carry even with armor accounted for, and that's without accounting for W, E, or the crazy 150% attack speed follow up. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On August 27 2012 01:56 Seuss wrote: Technically Wukong should do fine against targets with armor if he uses APen Marks/Quints. The key thing to remember is that % Reduction is applied before Flat Penetration. If Wukong's opponent comes to lane with Cloth Armor, Armor Seals, and defensive masteries it's as if they only have 8-10 armor. The problem is this only applies if you can Q before E. Wukong's other issue is that he lacks sustain while also having low base health regen and armor. Mogwai's probably the best person to speak to why Wukong isn't popular/a good pick, but those are the things I've picked up on while trying to learn top lane. I thought that we recently discovered that % reduction was actually applied after flat pen. When was the last time we tested this? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
That being said, I'd much rather have a well farmed Wukong than Malphite or Darius, because the monkey is just ridiculous after a point. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 27 2012 01:56 Seuss wrote: Technically Wukong should do fine against targets with armor if he uses APen Marks/Quints. The key thing to remember is that % Reduction is applied before Flat Penetration. If Wukong's opponent comes to lane with Cloth Armor, Armor Seals, and defensive masteries it's as if they only have 8-10 armor. The problem is this only applies if you can Q before E. Wukong's other issue is that he lacks sustain while also having low base health regen and armor. Mogwai's probably the best person to speak to why Wukong isn't popular/a good pick, but those are the things I've picked up on while trying to learn top lane. That's what I meant with his "best combo", since unless you can mindgame with Decoy (and it's going to take longer than using spells on cooldown, while denting into your mana and making you give openings when you setup the "fakes" (pressing S)), hitting Q first is only the odd case, making armor stacking more effective than it'd seem. | ||
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