EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 147
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 26 2012 13:32 Sven Stryker wrote: When I played with it, it felt more like a passive than an ultimate. You use it prior to or out of combat because it is too slow to use in a fight. It was far too easy for it to get wasted and feel like it just became a shitty gap closer. It stealths for less time than Twitch's new maxed Q. Just my noob opinions though. I'd personally change it to keep doing something after the destealth, and I wouldn't even care what. What do you mean it felt too slow to use in combat. I was watching someone on youtube play rengar and he stealthed almost instantly with the ult. Only shaco has a stealth that annoying. At least with akali you know where she is. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On August 26 2012 13:56 TheYango wrote: There's really no reason to pre-charge Q, because Q resets your autoattack timer anyway. auto->Q should be only infinitesimally slower than simplying pre-charging Q if you cancel out of the initial autoattack at the perfect time. a lot of times a precharged q + regular q leap combo is enough to kill someone outright if they are at 1/3 health or so. they think they are safe hiding in the brush or trying to b in the brush. thats another thing his ult does, lets you see people in the brush. if you arent going to burst someone with a combo i guess auto'd might be better. sometimes u just dont need it tho. | ||
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Sven Stryker
United States423 Posts
On August 26 2012 13:59 obesechicken13 wrote: What do you mean it felt too slow to use in combat. I was watching someone on youtube play rengar and he stealthed almost instantly with the ult. Only shaco has a stealth that annoying. At least with akali you know where she is. I mean that in combat, having it accomplish anything took time. To get real power out of your ult, you have to wait for the Ferocity charges or be preparing to initiate. Yes, it can stealth quickly, but several other champs get quick stealth and damage bonuses in the same move, ult or otherwise. Your ult does not increase your damage output since you need to sacrifice attack time in order to charge ferocity with it. I'm not saying it's weak. I'm saying that it feels more like a passive than an Ult. You get lots of use just using it randomly for Ferocity and prepping fights. It's good at initiating and finishing fights, but it's not something particularly worthwhile mid fight. Again, I'm just a noob, but it didn't feel like it ever changed the outcome of a fight for me. It helped start fights that you hadn't already prepped Ferocity for, and it helped end fights you already won, but it never made you get a kill when you'd otherwise die. (you could escape though) Maybe that's just how a utility ult is supposed to feel. Too many opinionated thoughts from a noob like me on it. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On August 26 2012 14:09 Vaporized wrote: a lot of times a precharged q + regular q leap combo is enough to kill someone outright if they are at 1/3 health or so. they think they are safe hiding in the brush or trying to b in the brush. thats another thing his ult does, lets you see people in the brush. if you arent going to burst someone with a combo i guess auto'd might be better. sometimes u just dont need it tho. I think the point he's making is that since Q resets auto attacks AAleap->Q->Q is more damage in about the same amount of time as Qleap->Q. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On August 26 2012 14:26 Sven Stryker wrote: I mean that in combat, having it accomplish anything took time. To get real power out of your ult, you have to wait for the Ferocity charges or be preparing to initiate. Yes, it can stealth quickly, but several other champs get quick stealth and damage bonuses in the same move, ult or otherwise. Your ult does not increase your damage output since you need to sacrifice attack time in order to charge ferocity with it. I'm not saying it's weak. I'm saying that it feels more like a passive than an Ult. You get lots of use just using it randomly for Ferocity and prepping fights. It's good at initiating and finishing fights, but it's not something particularly worthwhile mid fight. Again, I'm just a noob, but it didn't feel like it ever changed the outcome of a fight for me. It helped start fights that you hadn't already prepped Ferocity for, and it helped end fights you already won, but it never made you get a kill when you'd otherwise die. (you could escape though) Maybe that's just how a utility ult is supposed to feel. Too many opinionated thoughts from a noob like me on it. It gives you an extra gap closer mid fight, I don't understand how you don't find that useful. Go into a fight, E someone (charged or normal), bash them some. If they get away, you ult and jump to them, bash them some more and they are dead. Or you just use it to come in from some funky angle where they don't have detection, run straight up towards a squishy and jump at him, use Q twice, E and W and he should be really low or dead. If some other champion did that, they could see it and try to kite you, but now they don't even see you coming in. It's also extremly powerful for doing Rammus style in lane ganks. Stealth at your tower and run straight into lane, jump and E for the root, your laner follows up and you should get an easy kill. Rammus does the same stuff with insane speed, Rengar does it with stealth, kind of the same deal. The real weak point so far with Rengar is that his E bugs out A LOT. It does absolutely nothing while going on CD. No combo point, no damage, no slow. Shitty bug tbh, screws you over. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 26 2012 13:57 zulu_nation8 wrote: regi was in my 1900 game once without his gf and he carried that shit so hard and outplayed the other mid it was brutal Regi was in my game once. He crushed mid and got DDOS'd. TOO STRONG. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 26 2012 13:13 phyvo wrote: Except Xin's only choice at the basic level is when to press E and what to E on. Rengar is different. His ult isn't instant so he has to anticipate the action as best he can and he's less able to initiate. [b]He has to choose between a ton of defense (emp W) and virtually all his offense (emp Q).[b] He doesn't stick as well as Xin because he can only ult once a fight and has less CC. He also can't just walk up to a squishy with E alone or he'll get CCed by support while Xin can E a squishy and then ult the support away. I mean you're absolutely right that he's not mechanically intensive but I think I'm not stretching the truth when I say that Xin's decisions in a normal team fight are less complicated than Rengar's. I really can't emphasize this point enough. In any combat situation the vast majority of Rengar's offense is tied up in Empowered Q whether you have one rank in it or five. Even with just his Necklace, a Phage, and standard runes/masteries his Empowered Q will do ~650 damage, while the combined damage of his other abilities amounts to only ~900. By choosing to do anything other than Empowered Q, Rengar sacrifices over 40% of his burst damage, not to mention auto-attack damage. Meanwhile, Empowered W is a huge factor in his defenses. By itself W only lasts 3 seconds, which is a very short window even for a steroid with an 11 second cooldown. Without Empowered W Rengar's defenses are extremely short and he loses out on 15% additional survivability. Not that one should rely solely on his W for defense, but its a huge hit to not use the empowered version. Knowing when to use each, and even how to build Rengar, is not all that easy or intuitive. The severity of the choice is probably lost on a lot of players. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
On August 26 2012 13:57 zulu_nation8 wrote: regi was in my 1900 game once without his gf and he carried that shit so hard and outplayed the other mid it was brutal BEST AP MID IN THE WORLD | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 26 2012 13:57 zulu_nation8 wrote: regi was in my 1900 game once without his gf and he carried that shit so hard and outplayed the other mid it was brutal I remember that one game i had to play against bigfatjiji.... "he isn't that great without his team", my teammate said.... and well.... | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 26 2012 15:56 Sufficiency wrote: I remember that one game i had to play against bigfatjiji.... "he isn't that great without his team", my teammate said.... and well.... Yeah a lot of people seem to think this. I think if you watch someone's stream and you notice mistakes they make you instantly think they're bad while ignoring the fact that you probably make those same mistakes. I used to be guilty of this until I started streaming and realized I make a LOT of really bad mistakes but that doesn't make me awful, I don't think. That's probably why there are so many top players that people consider "bad." Such as Regi. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 26 2012 16:01 BlackPaladin wrote: Okay, question: Who is Best Riven NA. I thought it was another account of Cris, but apparently it's not? I was sure I tuned in to his stream one time to see if the kid was 13 or just some really immature 20+ year old dude, and I remembered him playing on that at one point. But apparently other people say he's someone different? x_x It's someone different I'd assume. He's much less ragey than Cris and I'd even say better. And I've seen them in the same games before. It's as big of a secret as SILSOL. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 26 2012 16:01 HazMat wrote: Yeah a lot of people seem to think this. I think if you watch someone's stream and you notice mistakes they make you instantly think they're bad while ignoring the fact that you probably make those same mistakes. I used to be guilty of this until I started streaming and realized I make a LOT of really bad mistakes but that doesn't make me awful, I don't think. That's probably why there are so many top players that people consider "bad." Such as Regi. I never understand the Regi hate. The only thing I understand about it is the Regi TF hate. He plays a strong TF, but TF is far more situational than what Regi thinks. He picks TF for TSM comps that would be much better off with another mid like Ahri or another ganker that is not as all-in as TF. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 26 2012 16:01 HazMat wrote: Yeah a lot of people seem to think this. I think if you watch someone's stream and you notice mistakes they make you instantly think they're bad while ignoring the fact that you probably make those same mistakes. I used to be guilty of this until I started streaming and realized I make a LOT of really bad mistakes but that doesn't make me awful, I don't think. That's probably why there are so many top players that people consider "bad." Such as Regi. It's more that they're supposed to be the top of the top but make such simple mistakes they really shouldn't make, and people get kind of dissapointed that they still make those mistakes. There's also comparing them to other top players and calling them bad. Regi actually was horrible right before and right after they kicked therainman, he just played really fucking bad back then. He real good again now though. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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Telegnosis
United States49 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
sweet 40 minutes now | ||
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