[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 98

On August 09 2012 07:46 Feartheguru wrote:


I never see people last hit at 20 hp.

Can someone teach me how to quote multiple people, spent 5 minutes looking around can't figure it out

On August 09 2012 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

Because A) if your opponent is good at last hitting, it doesn't ensure that the wave will push, and you're just behind 100-140 gold, which is a huge deal early game B) isn't that big of a deal against most junglers because they can just shove the wave if it ever gets "frozen" and go shop C) puts you behind getting to level 2 which is a HUGE deal in mid lane.

I'm starting to think that taking wolf xp or stealing their big wraith with your top laner as blue team (if you have a jungler that starts red) then shoving immediately to get level 2 off of first wave is super strong, actually.

On August 09 2012 07:22 101toss wrote:
You guys clearly aren't aware of the power of top/mid nunu

On August 09 2012 07:57 Perplex wrote:


It's very very strong. I win some lanes at my elo just because of this small advantage. I always duo with my friend who's support and he helps me kill our team's wraiths when i'm top lane. I just auto attack the wave and hit 2 with a creep advantage then go all out.

This reminds me of something I was thinking about. Can any high elo top laner tell me why people don't just give up say the first 3-4 last hits so the lane immediately pushes guaranteeing safety and putting the opposing laner at risk with just that tiny cost?

On August 09 2012 07:58 101toss wrote:

And then you get level 2 ganked and you are sad for overextending

On August 09 2012 07:40 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:

"You turn up to lane and it's like, fuck your shitty 25g, just forget that last hit and hit the other guy in lane instead. Do it a few times. Boom. You just won lane. Now cs as much as you want and make them cry at tower."
-DLift on winning lane

On August 09 2012 06:52 Feartheguru wrote:


Not trying to insinuate anything, I was wondering, what elo are you? You seem to have the experience that you can't expect a blue leash when in the hundreds games I've played I've not once seen the jungler on my team not get a leash. Also I doubt the path you listed is faster than the normal route. It's normal because it's generally the most optimal and I doubt your friend figured out something the pros missed. Also just basic logic, clearly the normal route has a shorter walking distance and a quicker blue --> lower cooldown.

On August 09 2012 08:19 Slayer91 wrote:
I think maxing W isn't all that bad as long as you aren't putting any points into E.

On August 09 2012 09:17 NEOtheONE wrote:
Okay first results are in

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My route


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As you can see the time difference is almost negligible. The HP difference is slightly more noticeable though but still not too big.

This is cloth armor and 5 pots btw.

On August 09 2012 09:23 Amui wrote:


what is your route anyways? I'm skeptical that it would be better.

On August 09 2012 09:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Keep in mind that delaying blue can have an impact in 5 minutes when their midlaner gets a blue faster. Also, certain junglers simply have different strengths. Shyvana is stupid easy in the jungle and could farm the most retarded route imaginable and still do ok farming. Not getting a leash at blue can be a huge problem for a lot of champions, even if they're level 2 because not everybody wants to open cloth +5... or be Shyvana. On "weaker" champs, those seconds add up and make a meaningful difference.

On August 09 2012 09:24 NEOtheONE wrote:


Wraiths > wolves > blue > Wraiths > golems > red

On August 09 2012 09:37 Amui wrote:


That only works with a cloth opening, on a very fast jungler with low resource dependancy. Shyvana is both resourceless and extremely fast. If you take something slower like naut for example, he will pretty much run out of potions by the time blue buff dies because he takes so much damage and deals so little early on. Other more resource dependant junglers like skarner will almost oom themselves by the time they get to blue buff, and that also translates into a huge amount of extra damage taken. Opening boots is almost a requirement because it allows you to pressure lanes and gank successfully.

And getting a leash on a buff camp, even on a cloth opening, very easily saves 1-3 potions depending on the amount of help. I would much, much rather take a leash+help on buff camp over getting to a buff camp at level 2.