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On August 09 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:15 101toss wrote:On August 09 2012 11:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
zionspartan says irelia is really strong and only loses to jax, kinda confirmed what i thought Irelia dies to nunu you can never die but you cant kill him either after certain levels, they have different roles but i think irelia is generally more useful. I don't think you can really run nunu top in a tourney game unless it's a specific strat since he doesnt scale and doesnt do damage which is bad if you're a solo taking farm.
u underestimate nunu  he is not lane cheese
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What do people think about Volibear?
Been really looking for a new top, and thinking about getting him. He seems pretty strong, and his passive can easily swing a fight in his favor, or at least until they ignite you.
edit: Yeah, I don't see that much in Nunu past laning phase/baron. He throws an iceball and dramatically buffs his carry, along with empiring in brushes. Basically, he does everything that support Nunu would do, just with plenty more damage.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if it gets to lategame, he seems pretty bad as a whole.
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bloodboil gives your AD carry another PD. Snowball rapes any bruiser/AD carry especially since with 40% cdr you can have the debuff up indefinitely. your ulti is a great peel in that it's a huge slow+cc magnet; it does massive massive damage if they don't interrupt it. consume is great for poke wars. i dont see how nunu would be bad lategame.
he's different from other bruisers like Irelia in that he doesn't dive the enemy team. Instead he stays near his carry and makes them immense while keeping shit away and threatening massive damage.
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TSM vs MTW is just comic.
4th failed dive... In a row XD
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So diana has close to the highest ap ratios in the game right now. Who the fuck is making these champions? 2.4 ap ratios. that's .05 behind orianna, tied with gragas, more than anivia. And even better than 3 use ults, INFINITE use ults. Seriously? I guess I can understand why so many people are losing to her, but why does she even exist with the shit she does? I guess darius ult wasn't easy enough to use, need to make an ult reset even more.
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Didn't someone post about that Saint didn't even write that?
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Diana's pale cascade looks kind similar in numbers to sion's shield
(Active): Diana creates three orbiting spheres that last up to 4 seconds and detonate on contact, dealing magic damage to all nearby enemies. She also gains a temporary shield that absorbs damage. This shield is refreshed if all three spheres detonate.
Cooldown: 10 seconds
AoE radius of sphere damage: 200 (estimate)
Cost: 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 mana
Shield Strength: 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+0.4 per ability power)
Magic Damage per Orb: 20 / 36 / 52 / 68 / 84 (+0.2 per ability power)
Maximum Magic Damage: 60 / 108 / 156 / 204 / 252 (+0.6 per ability power)
(Active): Sion surrounds himself with a shield which absorbs damage for up to 10 seconds. After 4 seconds, if the shield has not been destroyed, the ability can be cast again to explode and deal magic damage to surrounding enemies. It will explode automatically after the 10 seconds have passed.
Cooldown: 8 seconds after shield expires
Explosion area: 550
Cost: 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 / 110 mana
Shield Strength/Magic Damage: 100 / 150 / 200 / 250 / 300 (+0.9 per ability power)
If the shield goes down but all 3 orbs hits, then diana basically gets as much shield as sion does. I mean sion has his stun shield combo which diana can't mimic till level 6 but that alone. Shouldn't that make her a lane bully? At least against melees and people who can't push?
Also her passive seems to do more damage than jax's ult passive in an AoE.
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On August 09 2012 11:25 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:15 101toss wrote:On August 09 2012 11:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
zionspartan says irelia is really strong and only loses to jax, kinda confirmed what i thought Irelia dies to nunu you can never die but you cant kill him either after certain levels, they have different roles but i think irelia is generally more useful. I don't think you can really run nunu top in a tourney game unless it's a specific strat since he doesnt scale and doesnt do damage which is bad if you're a solo taking farm. u underestimate nunu he is not lane cheese
where does your damage come from then if you run nunu top
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On August 09 2012 11:27 Cloud9157 wrote:
What do people think about Volibear?
Been really looking for a new top, and thinking about getting him. He seems pretty strong, and his passive can easily swing a fight in his favor, or at least until they ignite you.
I thought the same thing, but I was really disappointed after trying him top. I might just be particularly bad at laning him, but even after just three or so games top it seemed like his bad matchups are really bad, and he has a fair number of them.
Anything with a ranged poke and mobility (to avoid your Q) will make you suffer. Volibear vs Teemo was painful enough to make me stick to jungle.
edit: Yeah, I don't see that much in Nunu past laning phase/baron. He throws an iceball and dramatically buffs his carry, along with empiring in brushes. Basically, he does everything that support Nunu would do, just with plenty more damage.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if it gets to lategame, he seems pretty bad as a whole.
...an ad carry with farm is like a 0cs ad carry "just with plenty more damage". I really think people underestimate Nunu's strength past laning phase if built well. The "plenty more damage" part is very important.
Nunu doesn't turn into Karthus or Mordekaiser late-game, but I don't think he falls off as hard as many people are suggesting.
Edit: Also, being able to afford to go tankier is very important for his team fight presence. Support Nunu is much squishier and can't afford to stick to people for long (or they'll just turn around and kill him).
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On August 09 2012 11:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:25 De4ngus wrote:On August 09 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:15 101toss wrote:On August 09 2012 11:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
zionspartan says irelia is really strong and only loses to jax, kinda confirmed what i thought Irelia dies to nunu you can never die but you cant kill him either after certain levels, they have different roles but i think irelia is generally more useful. I don't think you can really run nunu top in a tourney game unless it's a specific strat since he doesnt scale and doesnt do damage which is bad if you're a solo taking farm. u underestimate nunu he is not lane cheese where does your damage come from then if you run nunu top
Early game the combination of iceball and yeti punches
Mid game iceball and ult
Late game bb ad carry, iceball and ult
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On August 09 2012 11:32 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So diana has close to the highest ap ratios in the game right now. Who the fuck is making these champions? 2.4 ap ratios. that's .05 behind orianna, tied with gragas, more than anivia. And even better than 3 use ults, INFINITE use ults. Seriously? I guess I can understand why so many people are losing to her, but why does she even exist with the shit she does? I guess darius ult wasn't easy enough to use, need to make an ult reset even more.
How are you getting 2.4? Q has 0.8, W has 0.6, ult has 0.6 but can easily be 1.2, passive is 0.6. That's 3.2 AP ratio total for one rotation if I'm doing it right. Ofc, in actually it's probably higher than that since your passive Q and R are on such low cd.
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On August 09 2012 11:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:25 De4ngus wrote:On August 09 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:15 101toss wrote:On August 09 2012 11:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
zionspartan says irelia is really strong and only loses to jax, kinda confirmed what i thought Irelia dies to nunu you can never die but you cant kill him either after certain levels, they have different roles but i think irelia is generally more useful. I don't think you can really run nunu top in a tourney game unless it's a specific strat since he doesnt scale and doesnt do damage which is bad if you're a solo taking farm. u underestimate nunu he is not lane cheese where does your damage come from then if you run nunu top
Where does the other team's come from either? cause if you're running nunu top, the other top is gonna get shut down hard. gotta shift away from that one track mind son, all hail the korean bringers of enlightenment.
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On August 09 2012 10:49 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 10:05 AsmodeusXI wrote:On August 09 2012 09:51 HazMat wrote:
When did TSM charging for higher quality on their weekly tourney? Pretty awful since I feel like you need at least 720p to see ANYTHING. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/loiPK.jpg) You need you're eyes checked sir! Also, I think it was just this week that they started charging.
But... but... me likey detail.
Seriously though, YES you CAN see them... but it's so... mehhhhhh... Then again, when I had it on 480p it was laggin for a bit soooo... oh well anyways.
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On August 09 2012 11:32 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So diana has close to the highest ap ratios in the game right now. Who the fuck is making these champions? 2.4 ap ratios. that's .05 behind orianna, tied with gragas, more than anivia. And even better than 3 use ults, INFINITE use ults. Seriously? I guess I can understand why so many people are losing to her, but why does she even exist with the shit she does? I guess darius ult wasn't easy enough to use, need to make an ult reset even more.
Since when is 2.4 AP ratios highest in game?
Many champions break 3.0. 2.4 is pretty average for a combo, actually. Diana's damage is pretty similar to Akali's actually - they probably used that as a baseline to balance her numbers.
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On August 09 2012 11:46 obesechicken13 wrote:Diana's pale cascade looks kind similar in numbers to sion's shield Show nested quote +(Active): Diana creates three orbiting spheres that last up to 4 seconds and detonate on contact, dealing magic damage to all nearby enemies. She also gains a temporary shield that absorbs damage. This shield is refreshed if all three spheres detonate.
Cooldown: 10 seconds
AoE radius of sphere damage: 200 (estimate)
Cost: 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 mana
Shield Strength: 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+0.4 per ability power)
Magic Damage per Orb: 20 / 36 / 52 / 68 / 84 (+0.2 per ability power)
Maximum Magic Damage: 60 / 108 / 156 / 204 / 252 (+0.6 per ability power) Show nested quote +
(Active): Sion surrounds himself with a shield which absorbs damage for up to 10 seconds. After 4 seconds, if the shield has not been destroyed, the ability can be cast again to explode and deal magic damage to surrounding enemies. It will explode automatically after the 10 seconds have passed.
Cooldown: 8 seconds after shield expires
Explosion area: 550
Cost: 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 / 110 mana
Shield Strength/Magic Damage: 100 / 150 / 200 / 250 / 300 (+0.9 per ability power)
If the shield goes down but all 3 orbs hits, then diana basically gets as much shield as sion does. I mean sion has his stun shield combo which diana can't mimic till level 6 but that alone. Shouldn't that make her a lane bully? At least against melees and people who can't push? Also her passive seems to do more damage than jax's ult passive in an AoE.
You really can't compare the two.
Sion's shield has a pretty big aoe and only does damage if it's not popped. The ratio is 0.9 with a high base damage/shield strength.
Diana's shield is considerably lower base values and the aoe of your orbs isn't nearly as large as Sion's shield explosion. The damage ratio is also only 0.6 compared to 0.9; that's a 50% difference. Add on to the fact that it's unlikely you'll have the initial shield completely depleted before all 3 orbs detonate and refresh the shield, you're realistically only looking at a 0.6~0.7 AP ratio shield rather than the full 0.8. Detonating the orbs causes Diana's shield to refresh the whole thing, it doesn't stack the shields.
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On August 09 2012 11:52 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:25 De4ngus wrote:On August 09 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:15 101toss wrote:On August 09 2012 11:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
zionspartan says irelia is really strong and only loses to jax, kinda confirmed what i thought Irelia dies to nunu you can never die but you cant kill him either after certain levels, they have different roles but i think irelia is generally more useful. I don't think you can really run nunu top in a tourney game unless it's a specific strat since he doesnt scale and doesnt do damage which is bad if you're a solo taking farm. u underestimate nunu he is not lane cheese where does your damage come from then if you run nunu top Where does the other team's come from either? cause if you're running nunu top, the other top is gonna get shut down hard. gotta shift away from that one track mind son, all hail the korean bringers of enlightenment.
nunu doesnt shut down most tops, lol@one track mind, you knew how nunu worked before smash posted?
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On August 09 2012 11:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 10:49 emperorchampion wrote:On August 09 2012 10:05 AsmodeusXI wrote:On August 09 2012 09:51 HazMat wrote:
When did TSM charging for higher quality on their weekly tourney? Pretty awful since I feel like you need at least 720p to see ANYTHING. You need you're eyes checked sir! Also, I think it was just this week that they started charging. But... but... me likey detail. Seriously though, YES you CAN see them... but it's so... mehhhhhh... Then again, when I had it on 480p it was laggin for a bit soooo... oh well anyways.
480 you can seee what is going on... That image is just a bad example because Shyvanna makes things hard to see when she ults. But 480 is apparently broken right now only 360, mods having to disable chat until they fix "it" which I asumme is 480p.
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On August 09 2012 11:52 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:25 De4ngus wrote:On August 09 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:15 101toss wrote:On August 09 2012 11:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
zionspartan says irelia is really strong and only loses to jax, kinda confirmed what i thought Irelia dies to nunu you can never die but you cant kill him either after certain levels, they have different roles but i think irelia is generally more useful. I don't think you can really run nunu top in a tourney game unless it's a specific strat since he doesnt scale and doesnt do damage which is bad if you're a solo taking farm. u underestimate nunu he is not lane cheese where does your damage come from then if you run nunu top Early game the combination of iceball and yeti punches Mid game iceball and ult Late game bb ad carry, iceball and ult
im talking about team damage
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On August 09 2012 11:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:52 Dgiese wrote:On August 09 2012 11:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:25 De4ngus wrote:On August 09 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:On August 09 2012 11:15 101toss wrote:On August 09 2012 11:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
zionspartan says irelia is really strong and only loses to jax, kinda confirmed what i thought Irelia dies to nunu you can never die but you cant kill him either after certain levels, they have different roles but i think irelia is generally more useful. I don't think you can really run nunu top in a tourney game unless it's a specific strat since he doesnt scale and doesnt do damage which is bad if you're a solo taking farm. u underestimate nunu he is not lane cheese where does your damage come from then if you run nunu top Where does the other team's come from either? cause if you're running nunu top, the other top is gonna get shut down hard. gotta shift away from that one track mind son, all hail the korean bringers of enlightenment. nunu doesnt shut down most tops, lol@one track mind, you knew how nunu worked before smash posted?
Ok, then don't pick nunu into a top like rumble or vlad? its not like first pick nunu has to be top, see a lane you dont like BAM nunu support. Doesn't suit your AD carry? BAM Nunu jungle. Don't want Nunu jungle? BAM Placeholder pick cause you didnt own the champion your teammate wanted. Imma lend you my stepladder, so you can join us on that next level shit.
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