EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 97
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IMoperator
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:09 NEOtheONE wrote: I also agree. if you require an Anivia quality leash, then you probably shouldn't be jungling, but man Anivia leashes rock. That AoE stun! I love giving them as Anivia, makes my jungler like me more. Not trying to insinuate anything, I was wondering, what elo are you? You seem to have the experience that you can't expect a blue leash when in the hundreds games I've played I've not once seen the jungler on my team not get a leash. Also I doubt the path you listed is faster than the normal route. It's normal because it's generally the most optimal and I doubt your friend figured out something the pros missed. Also just basic logic, clearly the normal route has a shorter walking distance and a quicker blue --> lower cooldown. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:45 barbsq wrote: also big wolf is 128 xp, navi sooper greedy XD TBH you could probably do something cute like mid lasthits big wolf, then gives big leash on blue so the jungler doesn't have to smite, then the jungler smites the enemy big wraith to make back the XP lost from the big wolf. Mid stays at parity with the enemy mid because of the big wolf, jungler stays at parity from taking the enemy big wraith, and the enemy jungler gets hurt from the fact that Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Minis is just barely enough to hit 3--if you lose either the big wolf or the big wraith you have to do Red at level 2, which can mean significantly more damage taken on more fragile junglers. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:52 TheYango wrote: TBH you could probably do something cute like mid lasthits big wolf, then gives big leash on blue so the jungler doesn't have to smite, then the jungler smites the enemy big wraith to make back the XP lost from the big wolf. Mid stays at parity with the enemy mid because of the big wolf, jungler stays at parity from taking the enemy big wraith, and the enemy jungler gets hurt from the fact that Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Minis is just barely enough to hit 3--if you lose either the big wolf or the big wraith you have to do Red at level 2, which can mean significantly more damage taken on more fragile junglers. No point when bot and top can feasibly hit it 3 times before they go to their lanes and not miss anything. This reminds me of something I was thinking about. Can any high elo top laner tell me why people don't just give up say the first 3-4 last hits so the lane immediately pushes guaranteeing safety and putting the opposing laner at risk with just that tiny cost? | ||
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ThE)ShoWTimE
Italy213 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:38 Requizen wrote: Who are you playing? She's like Akali or Kass, a high burst, fast diving melee assassin. If you're playing someone squishy and immobile (like Karth, for instance), she's just going to jump on your face and eat you whole. If you're playing someone with hard CC or high mobility, she's easier to lock down. Treat her like any assassin: dodge what you can, don't get too far from the tower, and never try to 1v1 her unless you have a large advantage. Her CDs are short, so there's no real "drawing out" big abilities, so you just kind of have to expect her to jump on your face at any moment. Once you play safe and dodge the Qs, she's less scary. thanks you and the other guy, well i played vs her as Swain, but i'm not the best Swain at all and i thought i was going up vs someone else i can't remember who was but he got top so... still pre 6 i owned her so hard, and even at 6 i was at a great advantage, but as soon as she got a dring and a vamp scepter she came back to lane and bursted me from 100 to 0 without me being able to do anything, i had my ult on, snared her with W for a sec and Q and E layed down, as well as an ignite, but still she got away after the burst with more than 30% hp left thanks to the lifesteal.. i suppose Swain is not indeed a good champ vs her because apart from his W he has no escapes and even if i can sustain with the ult i'm too mana drained while she can happily combo me all time... maybe talon does well vs her? or ahri? morde? dunno.. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:56 Feartheguru wrote: No point when bot and top can feasibly hit it 3 times before they go to their lanes and not miss anything. This reminds me of something I was thinking about. Can any high elo top laner tell me why people don't just give up say the first 3-4 last hits so the lane immediately pushes guaranteeing safety and putting the opposing laner at risk with just that tiny cost? Being down an ability is costly against some champs. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:56 Feartheguru wrote: No point when bot and top can feasibly hit it 3 times before they go to their lanes and not miss anything. This reminds me of something I was thinking about. Can any high elo top laner tell me why people don't just give up say the first 3-4 last hits so the lane immediately pushes guaranteeing safety and putting the opposing laner at risk with just that tiny cost? Because A) if your opponent is good at last hitting, it doesn't ensure that the wave will push, and you're just behind 100-140 gold, which is a huge deal early game B) isn't that big of a deal against most junglers because they can just shove the wave if it ever gets "frozen" and go shop C) puts you behind getting to level 2 which is a HUGE deal in mid lane. I'm starting to think that taking wolf xp or stealing their big wraith with your top laner as blue team (if you have a jungler that starts red) then shoving immediately to get level 2 off of first wave is super strong, actually. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Because A) if your opponent is good at last hitting, it doesn't ensure that the wave will push, and you're just behind 100-140 gold, which is a huge deal early game B) isn't that big of a deal against most junglers because they can just shove the wave if it ever gets "frozen" and go shop C) puts you behind getting to level 2 which is a HUGE deal in mid lane. I'm starting to think that taking wolf xp or stealing their big wraith with your top laner as blue team (if you have a jungler that starts red) then shoving immediately to get level 2 off of first wave is super strong, actually. He said Top lane | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:09 Gahlo wrote: Being down an ability is costly against some champs. Then why don't people push the lane to get that small window for themselves. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
Top lane's gonna be as bad as mid lane, they're either going to zone you hard or go all in as soon as they hit 2 and kill you. And if they succeed with either one you're not gonna have a very fun time top. | ||
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101toss
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:29 red_ wrote: He said 'don't last hit'... why are people talking about a level disadvantage from that? You don't lose xp for not last hitting. You lose gold, and if your opponent isn't completely terrible, last hitting doesn't push hard anyways | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:35 101toss wrote: You lose gold, and if your opponent isn't completely terrible, last hitting doesn't push hard anyways "You turn up to lane and it's like, fuck your shitty 25g, just forget that last hit and hit the other guy in lane instead. Do it a few times. Boom. You just won lane. Now cs as much as you want and make them cry at tower." -DLift on winning lane | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:29 red_ wrote: He said 'don't last hit'... why are people talking about a level disadvantage from that? You don't lose xp for not last hitting. If you don't last hit and he does, the lane pushes because there's more of your minions dead than his thus you're behind in level ups? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:19 RoyGBiv_13 wrote: + Show Spoiler + I was lead to believe that it would also reset if it changed targets more than once, but am not sure on that one. So for anyone not watching the video, the KISS is to, if you are leashing, hit it once, maybe use a spell, and back off. No cute shit. The specifics is if you leash blue, and it is by itself (someone killed the two lizards and ran off... friggin malzahar counterjungles!) then you can hit it twice, walk out of it's max leash range and stop attacking it, and it will deaggro onto the jungler just fine. In most situations minilizards will be alive though, which means that you don't want them to be hitting you when you stop otherwise you'll cause golem to hard reset. And if you're doing an invade and are leashing, just stay within the blue golem circle or hit it once and run off as far as you can without the lizards hitting you. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:56 Feartheguru wrote: No point when bot and top can feasibly hit it 3 times before they go to their lanes and not miss anything. This reminds me of something I was thinking about. Can any high elo top laner tell me why people don't just give up say the first 3-4 last hits so the lane immediately pushes guaranteeing safety and putting the opposing laner at risk with just that tiny cost? if you want to force the lane to push to your side get to the lane early and as their minions come up tank aggro for 1-2 seconds so the caster minions ball up before hitting your own minions, this causes the lane to immediately push towards your side early | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:35 101toss wrote: You lose gold, and if your opponent isn't completely terrible, last hitting doesn't push hard anyways I never see people last hit at 20 hp. Can someone teach me how to quote multiple people, spent 5 minutes looking around can't figure it out | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:29 red_ wrote: He said 'don't last hit'... why are people talking about a level disadvantage from that? You don't lose xp for not last hitting. No, but because the minions die more slowly, you won't get levels 2 and 3 as fast. In top lane, which is a constant 1v1 duel, being slower to get those first couple of levels can be really bad in any trades. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:46 Feartheguru wrote: I never see people last hit at 20 hp. Can someone teach me how to quote multiple people, spent 5 minutes looking around can't figure it out Oh god, the new minion snowball meta has arrived. | ||
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