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Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 19:26:20
August 08 2012 19:25 GMT
#1861
Okay thanks for the info guys. I always do a normal leash and never experience any resets like you guys have talked about so I just wanted to make sure. I play jungler a lot too so I know how much it can help them out A healthy game always starts with a happy jungler!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 08 2012 19:26 GMT
#1862
Whenever I jungle, I don't really expect mid to do a hardleash. The people that should be "hard leashing" it, should be the sidelane where your blue resides...

Also, for nonjunglers, hardleash = amazing leash, can do the buff without a pot helps a lot for junglers.
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 08 2012 19:30 GMT
#1863
Please tell me someone else is watching 4PL right now.

Jews Gone Wild best team name ever.
It's your boy Guzma!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 19:32:30
August 08 2012 19:31 GMT
#1864
On August 09 2012 03:07 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 02:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:37 Perplex wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:02 NEOtheONE wrote:
On August 09 2012 01:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 09 2012 01:57 Ryuu314 wrote:
wait wait wait. Is NeotheOne seriously trying to argue that Wolves->Blue is a bad starting path? O_O I thought Wolves->Blue was standard for every jungler that wants to start blue or have I been junglin incorrectly since the jungle remake?

What I'm getting is that he's afraid of bad leashes. Which just don't happen after level 20.


Lol, no they still happen all the darn time. I keep getting people who end up resetting the buffs on me, so this route let me avoid all that drama.


actually any time the jungle camp resets, it's 100% the jungler's fault. That's because there is a foolproof way to prevent resets from happening, and if the jungler isn't using this to his advantage then it's his fault when the buff resets.

All you have to do is stand between the buff and it's original spawn location. If you're in the bush at blue, and you're in front of the golem while auto attacking it, it's possible it could reset. However if you're standing behind the golem (between the golem and it's spawn point) it will never reset.

It really isn't as I've done just that following blue into brush and still it resets even after the buff aggro update. Bad mids make bad leashes.

Is there such a thing as a bad leash? they just need to autoattack once and walk away...

I think the problem is people who don't jungle often, not knowing what they should do as a mid.
the person doing msot of the damage upon leash should be your top lane or botlane, respectively. or that's i usually have it done.....


Nearly every time that blue resets on me, it happens on blue side. The top laner doesn't help with the pull, and my mid laner compensates by trying to give me a heavy pull instead of a quick shot over the wall. If the mid-laner lingers too long and ends up dragging the golem (in melee range) too far around the corner in the brush, the buff will reset if you try to follow it into the brush.

Usually if the person just leaves sooner or if they leave the way a top-laner would leave or if they just don't pull it so far into the brush, it usually works just fine. I haven't played enough jungle in the last month or two to really narrow down when it happens. I'm sure I'm not doing something to properly mitigate the problem, but I can be 100% certain that I'm not on the "bad" side of the buff when it resets. I'm always between the buff mob and its spawn point.

This is exactly what happens to me and it results from mids not knowing what to do so they pace back and forth, (sometimes) auto an extra time, and leave to go to lane. The buff doesn't lose sight of the player for any duration as far as I know, and if it does, it doesn't lose sight at an important time.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 08 2012 19:37 GMT
#1865
On August 09 2012 04:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:07 Takkara wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:37 Perplex wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:02 NEOtheONE wrote:
On August 09 2012 01:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 09 2012 01:57 Ryuu314 wrote:
wait wait wait. Is NeotheOne seriously trying to argue that Wolves->Blue is a bad starting path? O_O I thought Wolves->Blue was standard for every jungler that wants to start blue or have I been junglin incorrectly since the jungle remake?

What I'm getting is that he's afraid of bad leashes. Which just don't happen after level 20.


Lol, no they still happen all the darn time. I keep getting people who end up resetting the buffs on me, so this route let me avoid all that drama.


actually any time the jungle camp resets, it's 100% the jungler's fault. That's because there is a foolproof way to prevent resets from happening, and if the jungler isn't using this to his advantage then it's his fault when the buff resets.

All you have to do is stand between the buff and it's original spawn location. If you're in the bush at blue, and you're in front of the golem while auto attacking it, it's possible it could reset. However if you're standing behind the golem (between the golem and it's spawn point) it will never reset.

It really isn't as I've done just that following blue into brush and still it resets even after the buff aggro update. Bad mids make bad leashes.

Is there such a thing as a bad leash? they just need to autoattack once and walk away...

I think the problem is people who don't jungle often, not knowing what they should do as a mid.
the person doing msot of the damage upon leash should be your top lane or botlane, respectively. or that's i usually have it done.....


Nearly every time that blue resets on me, it happens on blue side. The top laner doesn't help with the pull, and my mid laner compensates by trying to give me a heavy pull instead of a quick shot over the wall. If the mid-laner lingers too long and ends up dragging the golem (in melee range) too far around the corner in the brush, the buff will reset if you try to follow it into the brush.

Usually if the person just leaves sooner or if they leave the way a top-laner would leave or if they just don't pull it so far into the brush, it usually works just fine. I haven't played enough jungle in the last month or two to really narrow down when it happens. I'm sure I'm not doing something to properly mitigate the problem, but I can be 100% certain that I'm not on the "bad" side of the buff when it resets. I'm always between the buff mob and its spawn point.

This is exactly what happens to me and it results from mids not knowing what to do so they pace back and forth, (sometimes) auto an extra time, and leave to go to lane. The buff doesn't lose sight of the player for any duration as far as I know, and if it does, it doesn't lose sight at an important time.


When I play mid and pace back for forth, it's because I'm doing something like this:

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 08 2012 19:47 GMT
#1866
Does anyone play or has seen Shy played top at all? I remember it being somewhat normal when she first came out (new champ and what not), but strong pushing power and silly good trading seems nice. Lack of escape sucks, but her shove and speed might maker her a good choice if you want to play top then pressure mid or try to steal jungle camps.
It's your boy Guzma!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 08 2012 19:48 GMT
#1867
On August 09 2012 04:37 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 04:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 09 2012 03:07 Takkara wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:37 Perplex wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:02 NEOtheONE wrote:
On August 09 2012 01:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 09 2012 01:57 Ryuu314 wrote:
wait wait wait. Is NeotheOne seriously trying to argue that Wolves->Blue is a bad starting path? O_O I thought Wolves->Blue was standard for every jungler that wants to start blue or have I been junglin incorrectly since the jungle remake?

What I'm getting is that he's afraid of bad leashes. Which just don't happen after level 20.


Lol, no they still happen all the darn time. I keep getting people who end up resetting the buffs on me, so this route let me avoid all that drama.


actually any time the jungle camp resets, it's 100% the jungler's fault. That's because there is a foolproof way to prevent resets from happening, and if the jungler isn't using this to his advantage then it's his fault when the buff resets.

All you have to do is stand between the buff and it's original spawn location. If you're in the bush at blue, and you're in front of the golem while auto attacking it, it's possible it could reset. However if you're standing behind the golem (between the golem and it's spawn point) it will never reset.

It really isn't as I've done just that following blue into brush and still it resets even after the buff aggro update. Bad mids make bad leashes.

Is there such a thing as a bad leash? they just need to autoattack once and walk away...

I think the problem is people who don't jungle often, not knowing what they should do as a mid.
the person doing msot of the damage upon leash should be your top lane or botlane, respectively. or that's i usually have it done.....


Nearly every time that blue resets on me, it happens on blue side. The top laner doesn't help with the pull, and my mid laner compensates by trying to give me a heavy pull instead of a quick shot over the wall. If the mid-laner lingers too long and ends up dragging the golem (in melee range) too far around the corner in the brush, the buff will reset if you try to follow it into the brush.

Usually if the person just leaves sooner or if they leave the way a top-laner would leave or if they just don't pull it so far into the brush, it usually works just fine. I haven't played enough jungle in the last month or two to really narrow down when it happens. I'm sure I'm not doing something to properly mitigate the problem, but I can be 100% certain that I'm not on the "bad" side of the buff when it resets. I'm always between the buff mob and its spawn point.

This is exactly what happens to me and it results from mids not knowing what to do so they pace back and forth, (sometimes) auto an extra time, and leave to go to lane. The buff doesn't lose sight of the player for any duration as far as I know, and if it does, it doesn't lose sight at an important time.


When I play mid and pace back for forth, it's because I'm doing something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PnGytVKmyg

I've seen Dyrus do it at Red but didn't know it could be done at blue. In any case, no, they pace back and forth closer to the brush as if they're not sure if they want to attack it.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
August 08 2012 19:49 GMT
#1868
On August 09 2012 04:30 Requizen wrote:
Please tell me someone else is watching 4PL right now.

Jews Gone Wild best team name ever.


That's hilarious! Any of them playing BankPlank?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 08 2012 19:50 GMT
#1869
On August 09 2012 04:49 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 04:30 Requizen wrote:
Please tell me someone else is watching 4PL right now.

Jews Gone Wild best team name ever.


That's hilarious! Any of them playing BankPlank?

No, but I think "I Me My Mine" is a pretty sick good player name. Fuck up casters all day.
It's your boy Guzma!
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 08 2012 19:58 GMT
#1870
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
August 08 2012 20:06 GMT
#1871
just tell them "the better your leash the more i gank"
RageOverdose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States690 Posts
August 08 2012 20:10 GMT
#1872
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


I stopped jungling mainly because of the lack of understanding of my team why these things are done, when they half ass them and wonder why ganking isn't an option when I'm too low to risk it.

That, and the gank bitching. I'll gank for you if the opportunity arises or if I need to pressure them off of you. Worse even is when teammates that pushed really early bitch about not getting ganks when the first 5-10 minutes I saw them way past river, they got ganked, and now complaining I never gank for them like they were really in a position to need ganks in the first place.

Also, I just gank better as mid. Kassadin ganks all day.

h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
August 08 2012 20:11 GMT
#1873
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


Missing 2 creeps can be really annoying in some match-ups, since the enemy laner will have a brief level advantage.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 08 2012 20:13 GMT
#1874
On August 09 2012 05:11 h3r1n6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


Missing 2 creeps can be really annoying in some match-ups, since the enemy laner will have a brief level advantage.

But then you get more effective ganks mid from the jungler
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
captharlock
Profile Joined September 2010
United States223 Posts
August 08 2012 20:13 GMT
#1875
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


I hate when that happens. I normally don't trust mid to leash properly for me when I jungle. The get so worried about missing that 1 creep that sometimes they don't pay attention and either take one of my little wolves (which happened to me on a couple of occassions) or on blue just keep auto attacking to where it resets.
Baneslayer Angel could be hungover, slightly blind, and texting while flying and still win the game
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
August 08 2012 20:20 GMT
#1876
On August 09 2012 05:13 captharlock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


I hate when that happens. I normally don't trust mid to leash properly for me when I jungle. The get so worried about missing that 1 creep that sometimes they don't pay attention and either take one of my little wolves (which happened to me on a couple of occassions) or on blue just keep auto attacking to where it resets.


Best way to make your jungler happy:

1. Play nunu top
2. Consume big wolf.
3. ??
4. Profit



(if he hits it before consume, you get big wolf, otherwise he oneshots it. Kinda hit or miss there )
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 20:21:47
August 08 2012 20:21 GMT
#1877
On August 09 2012 05:13 captharlock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


I hate when that happens. I normally don't trust mid to leash properly for me when I jungle. The get so worried about missing that 1 creep that sometimes they don't pay attention and either take one of my little wolves (which happened to me on a couple of occassions) or on blue just keep auto attacking to where it resets.


1 creep is the difference between level 1 and level 2 and if you're in a hard lane that's basically auto losing the lane lol...

take your one auto leash and be grateful for it...
TranslatorBaa!
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 20:26:15
August 08 2012 20:22 GMT
#1878
On August 09 2012 05:13 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 05:11 h3r1n6 wrote:
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


Missing 2 creeps can be really annoying in some match-ups, since the enemy laner will have a brief level advantage.

But then you get more effective ganks mid from the jungler



I'm never one to complain about ganks or a lack of them. I am just saying that depending on the jungler and the mid match-up I don't feel like losing the 2 creeps is worth it (and subsequently a few more if the enemy abuses their level advantage). For Udyr, 1 auto attack+a spell leash is more than enough.


Edit:
Worst I have done is stolen all 3 wolves with a Karthus Q. I immediately typed : "I'm helping"
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 08 2012 20:23 GMT
#1879
On August 09 2012 05:20 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 05:13 captharlock wrote:
On August 09 2012 04:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
I hate when people give you one or two autoattacks when at MOST they miss 1 creep in lane and i use like 2 pots at the first buff LOL


I hate when that happens. I normally don't trust mid to leash properly for me when I jungle. The get so worried about missing that 1 creep that sometimes they don't pay attention and either take one of my little wolves (which happened to me on a couple of occassions) or on blue just keep auto attacking to where it resets.


Best way to make your jungler happy:

1. Play nunu top
2. Consume big wolf.
3. ??
4. Profit



(if he hits it before consume, you get big wolf, otherwise he oneshots it. Kinda hit or miss there )

i saw a nunu earlier who started by eating his own big wraith, waiting int he grass behind golem till the enemy mid walked out, their malphite had pre smited so nunu ran in ate blue got level 2 then snowballed malphite and ran away

shit was so cash
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 08 2012 20:24 GMT
#1880
After playing Viktor a bit during his week, I think he is actually pretty strong. His poke/wave clear with his E is fantastic, his Q is almost abuseable in lane, and his R does tons of damage (tm). Also his W is not half bad for teamfight utility.
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