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On August 05 2012 09:21 Cloud9157 wrote:
Just as a theory craft, would using that build in combination with some ap actually provide decent sustainability in team fights? His w is already pretty good at keeping him up in one, imagine what it would do with some ap on him.
Not to mention it scales with .8 ratio.
W is decent sustain regardless if what you build because it's 30% of ALL damage done by you or allies to anything. You'll sustain well so long as someone is doing damage.
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On August 05 2012 07:46 wei2coolman wrote:
You know, I like building Frozen Mallet+Rylais+gunblade+randuins on my nunu. Just cuz I need dem slows.
A wild Yi appears!
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---
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On August 05 2012 09:26 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:46 wei2coolman wrote:
You know, I like building Frozen Mallet+Rylais+gunblade+randuins on my nunu. Just cuz I need dem slows. A wild Yi appears! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---
Then you realize randuins and iceball still wreck (non-ap) yi
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On August 05 2012 09:18 Seuss wrote:
If you really want to back door as Hecarim, go Ghostblade plus Reverie and Ghost. Good luck catching Hecarim with all those movement speed boosts to chain.
I bet frozen mallet sejuani could catch him.
65% diminishing returns on slows does mean it's wasteful. Like if an ally just chained a slow right before your permafrost, the frozen mallet would barely do anything. But if you were to gank a nasus with your shyvana top, then if shyvana had no slow, it'd be useful to apply your slow while permafrost and your stun were down.
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On August 05 2012 09:37 Bladeorade wrote:
I seriously hate the new dodge system/que system. Takes for-fucking-ever to get a game, then when I finally do I get yorick+chogath+double jungle nunu and amumu with me mid. So I dodge. I hate this game.
Wrong thread, good sir.
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Hmm. Tried to edit to make it less QQ but its hard to make QQ not look like QQ and I'm lazy.
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haha, it's ok. I think the new dodge system is mad stupid too. You can have a bye.
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While the dodge queue thing is a problem, the real issue is the new dodge boots.
Dodge boots OP, no counter GG
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On August 05 2012 09:44 101toss wrote:
While the dodge queue thing is a problem, the real issue is the new dodge boots.
Dodge boots OP, no counter GG
The what where?
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On August 05 2012 08:52 Vaporized wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:43 zer0das wrote:
You already have around 600 movement speed with just a triforce, 3 movespeed quints, and the movespeed mastery at the peak of his e. You're not gaining any significant movement speed from adding a phantom dancer on top of that, due to the decreasing gains in the movement speed equation. You're essentially arguing that whatever triffling amounts of movement speed and damage you get from the phantom dancer is worth the 2.8k gold you spent on it, which I can assure you, it is not, especially if you've already built a triforce. this is at the peak of his e. which is what? 1-2 seconds out of 15-20. with 2 pds and triforce you zoom around the map like i guareentee you have never done before. it almost seems like a different game to move around such a familiar map in such a novel way.
It's also terrible and inefficient. You should really never build that ever in any situation (unless you're just doing it for the novelty, and not to win).
once some cd's have been blown THEN i ult in and in the time that your ult fear lasts, with a proper build, you can burst down their ap or ad carry.
I can 1-combo carries late game with my build too, but I don't have to sacrifice tankiness in the wasted stats gained from two phantom dancer's.
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On August 05 2012 09:11 HazMat wrote:
I just gotta add that reading "coming from an MMO background" made me laugh harder than I have in a longgg time. Thanks for the laugh RobertDinh v2.0.
Oh my god. Is that where I've seen the name robertdinh before? I got that guy twice in normals and I couldn't remember why he was so familiar. Was really, really bad as I recall.
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Okay, lets put it this way. REAL TALK. BOIZ.
What do you seriously gain with Hecarim by buying PD, for 2.8k?
You aren't really looking for crit, tbh. It's not like you're getting IE, but a increased crit chance is alright, but you don't really have any base AD, since you only have triforce w/ the PD.
Attack speed? Nope, not really, especially considering his Q is around 2 sec cooldown after stacks, so essentially you only need enough Attack Speed to attack ever proc of Q to get a majority of his damage on top of the triforce proc~.
Move speed? it's nice~, but to what extent is already having more movespeed, on top of one of the strongest movespeed steroid going to help do? Allow you stick on to them?
So essentially you spent 2.8k for a lot of useless stats that don't work well with Hecarim~, and some movespeed.
Now, lets look at alternatives.
BT, 3k. Not the best item for Hecarim, but definitely better than PD. Increased AD by 100, along w/ great sustain.
Frozen Mallet, 3.25k, a pretty solid item. Allows for massive sticking power due to the slow, tons of health, especially if you're going to charge in, you'll end up going balls deep into 5 people, the extra health is VERY nice.
Randuins Omen, 3.075k, another great item for hecarim, when diving on AD carries, they'll almost always be prioritize killing you, Randuins Omen will allow you to stick, and shit all over the AD carry. Not to mention, it has tons of synergy with his "charging in" abilities.
Even Ghostblade, 2.687k would be a much stronger alternative, gives the "ms" boost you seem to be jizzing on about, along w/ strong armor pen, and has smoother build~ especially with brutalizer.
How about something that helps the team as well? Reverie is another strong buy. Philo stone early on helps you sustain in jungle, makes you much tankier and gives you CDR+HP+MS.
There are plenty of strong item choices for Hecarim, PD is not one of them.
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Am I the only one who hasn't run into 10 minute queues with the new dodge system?
I think the most I've ever had to wait for was two of those weird 10 second 'put-you-back-into-queue-but-you-can't-do-anything-while-you-wait' things in a row.
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On August 05 2012 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I the only one who hasn't run into 10 minute queues with the new dodge system?
I think the most I've ever had to wait for was two of those weird 10 second 'put-you-back-into-queue-but-you-can't-do-anything-while-you-wait' things in a row.
Nah I have the same experience. Low elo wait times op.
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I don't know about the Frozen Mallet. It does not sound THAT bad. Not because of any interaction with your passive or the likes, but because i am not actually convinced that your passive actually DOES anything. A 10% slow is barely noticeable, and people do indeed escape with that 10% slow on them.
We have two different discussions here at the moment, the "is frozen mallet a good item", and the "interaction with Sej's passive", which in my opinion are not connected that much. The fact that Mallet makes Sej's passive barely do anything is not that interesting once you notice that her passive barely does anything with or without the mallet. For the question whether or not you should build mallet, this is also completely irrelevant. Mallet makes her passive do less, ok. But that is not the question, the question is whether the effect mallet gives is worth it, or not.
Now, it can be argued that her kit in total gives her enough cc that she does not need the mallet, and should build other items instead, and i am inclined to agree here. But that is a completely different argument.
But i am not that experienced with Sej, i only played her during this free week, and was surprised how much she does not suck compared to how bad people say she is.
Different topic, has a consensus been reached considering HoG on tanky support junglers? Before the nerf, you practically always built one, but now it is not that clear anymore, and so far i have not seen a definitive answer. I must say that i quite liked skipping HoG for a shurelyas rush on Naut, which gives you about similar amounts of hp, takes away your gp10, but gives you a shurelyas insanely early for absurd ganks and general utility. The increased regeneration of shurelyas over philo is also pretty useful, and everyone loves CDR. Another route i have tried is simply skipping HoG and getting aegis faster instead, and that was not that bad, either. Of course with both of these, you miss out on a lot of gold from your gp10s, but if you are active enough around the map, i think it can definitively be worth it. So unless all my lanes are ungankable either by lanesetup or because they are retarded and at the enemy tower at all times, i tend to do one of those two things. How do others see this?
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What are the best runes on ezreal?
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Also, why the fuck can't you buy runes with RP? They're expensive as shit.
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On August 05 2012 12:42 IMoperator wrote:
What are the best runes on ezreal?
Standard ad carry runes are ad reds, armor yellow, mr blue and ad quints. Unless you want to build him ap.
On August 05 2012 12:46 IMoperator wrote:
Also, why the fuck can't you buy runes with RP? They're expensive as shit.
To put more stress on your ip and make you buy rp for champions.
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