EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 34
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 04 2012 09:43 cLutZ wrote: Yes well, thats rubbish. Teams already deteriorate badly when they are losing. what? It's bad now, but there's no way that implementing that system wouldn't make it worse. I'm absolutely certain that if they did that then it would go from annoying to unbearable. I mean there's a reason /ignore exists, but that just seems silly. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 04 2012 09:22 Craton wrote: They get d/ced, lose power, PCs crash, bugsplat, client bugs out (e.g. refuses to accept a champion pick, doesn't load champions), etc. Those things happen, but not with sufficient frequency to account for a majority of champion select AFKs, even taken in aggregate. Perhaps I'm wrong, but if they occurred with the frequency necessary to support your position I highly doubt that there would be very many players like myself who only encounter these problems once every 100-300 games. To be clear, I'm not saying the current matchmaking system is flawless, only that it boggles my mind how many people must be going AFK after they accept. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 04 2012 09:43 cLutZ wrote: Yes well, thats rubbish. Teams already deteriorate badly when they are losing. It's also against the whole principle of "elo should be a measure of skill. Not a way to punish dodgers" | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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Cwedhrin
United States30 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11626 Posts
On August 04 2012 10:29 Seuss wrote: Those things happen, but not with sufficient frequency to account for a majority of champion select AFKs, even taken in aggregate. Perhaps I'm wrong, but if they occurred with the frequency necessary to support your position I highly doubt that there would be very many players like myself who only encounter these problems once every 100-300 games. To be clear, I'm not saying the current matchmaking system is flawless, only that it boggles my mind how many people must be going AFK after they accept. If you encounter it every 100 games, and it is the same for everyone else, than you would on average get one dc every 10 games. Which sounds reasonable, i doubt it is much more then that. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
I just wanted to play one more game before bed and now its been 25 minutes i fucking hate this shit | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21950 Posts
On August 04 2012 11:04 Lorken wrote: I might just be bad, but do you just auto attack to do damage is nunu? His kit feels incredibly weird for me. I normally jungle him, I can do ganks and stuff alright, but doing actual damage myself doesn't feel like I'm doing anything. just E a random guy, w ADC and auto attack them or am I doing something wrong? ult hardly ever gets to be fully charged if the enemy team is competent. Note ~1300 elo. Snowball is a big aspd reduction. In lane i mostly snowball people. trading autos if its safe to do so. Consume lets you just heal back up again. Lategame your snowball should be doing 4-500 dmg pre resists with 3 seconds cd because of max cdr. Make sure you slow there ad while boosting your own with blood boil. And try to find an opening in cc usage to get an ult off. Yes you can run/dash out but any second they spend avoiding your ult is a second there not killing your teammates. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On August 04 2012 11:44 XenOmega wrote: Is it possible to get out of 1200 elo by being the good guy (picking whatever the team needs, which is usually support or jungler) It's one of the only two viable strategies for climbing Elo really, the other being so proficient at your best role that you can hard-carry a dysfunctional team regardless. | ||
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
If you're just looking to get a smurf account closer to your actual Elo, then you just want to pick a laner and go to town. I don't recommend supporting or jungling in that scenario as it's much easier to win when one lane (your lane) goes really lopsided in your team's favor, while a jungler can only try to triage the hemorrhaging. If you're just trying to slowly improve then it doesn't really matter what you do: pick whatever and try to do better with it. There are a LOT of little things that go into improving as a player. Your Elo will naturally follow. On August 04 2012 10:29 Seuss wrote:Those things happen, but not with sufficient frequency to account for a majority of champion select AFKs, even taken in aggregate. Perhaps I'm wrong, but if they occurred with the frequency necessary to support your position I highly doubt that there would be very many players like myself who only encounter these problems once every 100-300 games. To be clear, I'm not saying the current matchmaking system is flawless, only that it boggles my mind how many people must be going AFK after they accept. Pretty sure you just see this through biased lenses. Maybe Moonbear can bring out the real statistics. I'd love to see the number of people who went AFK between queuing and first getting a game (idle before entering their first game) versus people who accepted a game and then went unresponsive after accepting. Need to not double count people who go AFK after accepting (being active) a champ select who then go unresponsive and get shunted to a second game when someone dodges. I'd wager that most people fall AFK after accepting a queue and that most of the number who end up joining a game while idle were already idle inside a CS and didn't get ejected from queue at that point (because someone dodged to avoid playing with the AFK). Note that the current system "solves" this in a roundabout way that still forces someone to take a dodge penalty, rather than automatically ejecting someone who fails to pick (and thus doesn't actually solve it at all). | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 04 2012 11:46 Juicyfruit wrote: It's one of the only two viable strategies for climbing Elo really, the other being so proficient at your best role that you can hard-carry a dysfunctional team regardless. I think another important thing is to not talk at all, unless its something like Gj or ward here timers etc etc. and when your teammates do something stupid and someone else is like, real? be like we have a better late game guys we can win ^_^(include that face to make sure they know you arent lying) | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
I really don't know where I'm supposed to be. Maybe 1200 is where I belong, maybe not. Feels like I have bad luck with matchmaking, dunno | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 04 2012 10:29 obesechicken13 wrote: It's also against the whole principle of "elo should be a measure of skill. Not a way to punish dodgers" I mean, it should not punish dodgers who leave before champ select or the game starts. If someone is AFK in game, or intentionally feeding, then the system I mentioned should be implemented. The fear of "pressuring to afk" is misplaced, because it would only apply to a case where a player is AFK from the start (or nearly the start) or is intentionally feeding from the start. As an aside: Dyrus Yorick is...wtf? | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On August 04 2012 11:40 Bladeorade wrote: Soooooo maaaaaaaaaany doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodges. I just wanted to play one more game before bed and now its been 25 minutes i fucking hate this shit ANd of course my 1 more game I just had to play had a troll sona support with a 1/5 sivir just bitching the entire game trololol. I think I am going to start skipping my "one more game." They never seem to turn out well. Anyone else do this? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 04 2012 11:44 XenOmega wrote: Is it possible to get out of 1200 elo by being the good guy (picking whatever the team needs, which is usually support or jungler) I actually think it might be a good idea to try to play with some of the TLers in, say, 1500 Elo, and see if you can compare yourself to them. If not, perhaps you need to improve your game. On August 04 2012 12:09 Bladeorade wrote: ANd of course my 1 more game I just had to play had a troll sona support with a 1/5 sivir just bitching the entire game trololol. I think I am going to start skipping my "one more game." They never seem to turn out well. Anyone else do this? What. Sona support so strong right now she makes me cry. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:12 Sufficiency wrote: I actually think it might be a good idea to try to play with some of the TLers in, say, 1500 Elo, and see if you can compare yourself to them. If not, perhaps you need to improve your game. What. Sona support so strong right now she makes me cry. i imagine she didnt buy wards or just trolled or something | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
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