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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 13 2012 15:36 GMT
#3221
On August 14 2012 00:34 TheKefka wrote:
Havoc is garbage altogether,it's just that there is no better alternative for caster if you want to go 21 in offense.

I'd rather have the AD, makes auto harassing slightly better and csing slightly easier/safer. Not a huge difference tho.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22459 Posts
August 13 2012 15:41 GMT
#3222
The problem is that all % masteries are basicly to low. What good is 1.5% less damage when you have 2.5k hp. its 37 extra damage before you die. thats pretty pointless.
For archmage to give you as much AP as an amp tomb you need 400 ap. Its all to low to basicly have much impact.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 13 2012 15:41 GMT
#3223
On August 14 2012 00:36 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:34 TheKefka wrote:
Havoc is garbage altogether,it's just that there is no better alternative for caster if you want to go 21 in offense.

I'd rather have the AD, makes auto harassing slightly better and csing slightly easier/safer. Not a huge difference tho.

Everyone is taking the AD mastery over mental force already.
Cackle™
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 15:46:39
August 13 2012 15:44 GMT
#3224
On August 14 2012 00:34 TheKefka wrote:
Havoc is garbage altogether,it's just that there is no better alternative for caster if you want to go 21 in offense.

No, it's not. If you're fiddlesticks, it's like 50g/point on your level 1 ulti and on drain. If you're Irelia, it's like 15 g/point. It depends on what your base numbers are. Also, there's nothing better to get, as havoc is MUCH better than 1AP/point.

Executioner isn't terribly good at trading, because in lane neither side should be chilling about with health that low, but it provides a nice bit of extra damage for last hitting (like 3-5 at level 1, increasing as game goes on), and becomes more relevant for allins and other committed fights.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 13 2012 15:46 GMT
#3225
On August 14 2012 00:44 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:34 TheKefka wrote:
Havoc is garbage altogether,it's just that there is no better alternative for caster if you want to go 21 in offense.

No, it's not. If you're fiddlesticks, it's like 50g/point on your level 1 ulti and on drain. If you're Irelia, it's like 15 g/point. It depends on what your base numbers are. Also, there's nothing better to get, as havoc is MUCH better than 1AP/point.

No one is taking 1ap/point since the new masteries came out lol.
Havoc is garbage and the ap masteries are even worse.I don't even think executioner is worth going 21 points into offense anymore.
Cackle™
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 15:49:14
August 13 2012 15:48 GMT
#3226
The only champion where taking the flat AP mastery on is feasible is Karthus.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 16:02:07
August 13 2012 15:55 GMT
#3227
100G at level 18 is pretty decent for how the different scaling masteries work. Both AP ones, the new AD one is ~90G per point at 18. So I'm going to say that the scaling AP ones which are worth 80-100G/point at 18 are fine. Sometimes you don't want scaling masteries, you want masteries that are useful at level 1. In these cases, the higher tier AP masteries (including havoc, which has math similar to scaling masteries) are not what you're looking for, so you see 9/whatever/whatever setups.

Also worth noting is the cost of spell vamp and life steal have gone up since the time of that posting - all the spell vamp items and nearly all lifesteal items (certainly the more base/common ones - vamp scep, wriggles, BT) have been lowered in what they give, meaning the mastery has a higher gold/point value.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
August 13 2012 16:01 GMT
#3228
Does anyone have a VoD of Diana being played in the jungle at a high level (tournament or stream), successfully? I'm still trying to make her work (to justify the RP), but want to see how pros/high elo people are playing/building her for research.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 13 2012 16:01 GMT
#3229
I don't think Diana jungle is viable except as a standard tank jungle but other champs probably do it better.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 13 2012 16:04 GMT
#3230
Happy TL Birthday Teut~
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 13 2012 16:06 GMT
#3231
happy birthday teut
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 16:08:46
August 13 2012 16:08 GMT
#3232
On August 14 2012 01:01 Slayer91 wrote:
I don't think Diana jungle is viable except as a standard tank jungle but other champs probably do it better.

I'd consider her viable (though underwhelming) if there already was a tank or two on your team (Ali bot, Galio mid, Malph top or something) and your team was lacking high damage.

However, in those cases, I suppose I'd play Riven/Jax/Olaf/Shaco jungle or something. I don't play mid, my RP T.T

And happy bday
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 16:10:23
August 13 2012 16:10 GMT
#3233
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 16:13:50
August 13 2012 16:11 GMT
#3234
Happy Bday dude!

Idk,I still think the worth of offense masterys for Aps shouldn't be judged by how good they are at lvl 18.100G worth of stats at lvl 18 IS pretty shitty.At this point I think 21 in utility should be the way to go.
Cackle™
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 13 2012 16:15 GMT
#3235
On August 14 2012 01:08 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:01 Slayer91 wrote:
I don't think Diana jungle is viable except as a standard tank jungle but other champs probably do it better.

I'd consider her viable (though underwhelming) if there already was a tank or two on your team (Ali bot, Galio mid, Malph top or something) and your team was lacking high damage.

However, in those cases, I suppose I'd play Riven/Jax/Olaf/Shaco jungle or something. I don't play mid, my RP T.T

And happy bday

dont trust him and play what you enjoy
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#3236
I've been running 9/0/21 on my mids. Having flash up ~40s faster than the enemy mid is just too good.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#3237
On August 14 2012 01:15 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:08 AwayFromLife wrote:
On August 14 2012 01:01 Slayer91 wrote:
I don't think Diana jungle is viable except as a standard tank jungle but other champs probably do it better.

I'd consider her viable (though underwhelming) if there already was a tank or two on your team (Ali bot, Galio mid, Malph top or something) and your team was lacking high damage.

However, in those cases, I suppose I'd play Riven/Jax/Olaf/Shaco jungle or something. I don't play mid, my RP T.T

And happy bday

dont trust him and play what you enjoy

Don't trust this guy and listen to Slayer's advice. Tho you should def play what you enjoy, if only more people would understand that it's a game, and playing a champ you like makes you play better.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 16:32:59
August 13 2012 16:32 GMT
#3238
What could be suitable junglers for low level summoners? <lvl10

Edit: More than warwick I guess :=
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 16:36:35
August 13 2012 16:33 GMT
#3239
On August 14 2012 01:26 xes wrote:
I've been running 9/0/21 on my mids. Having flash up ~40s faster than the enemy mid is just too good.

There's also pretty nifty stuff you could do with the gold mastery.
Buy extra pots if you want to play really aggressive,skip one pot and buy a ward and ward your entrance to the jungle or ward for dat fb top lane.
On August 14 2012 01:32 Arevall wrote:
What could be suitable junglers for low level summoners? <lvl10

Edit: More than warwick I guess :=

Trundle I guess,I don't think you can actually die in the new jungle with trundle,he also doesn't use flash normally which you won't get until you are 12.
Cackle™
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
August 13 2012 16:38 GMT
#3240
On August 14 2012 01:32 Arevall wrote:
What could be suitable junglers for low level summoners? <lvl10

Edit: More than warwick I guess :=


Nunu and Trundle I think
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