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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
August 13 2012 15:08 GMT
#3201
Wow, iG just outright storm CLG. Too many mistake from CLG and iG just take that super easy.
Terran
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
August 13 2012 15:09 GMT
#3202
On August 14 2012 00:08 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
I fear for CLG come S2 finals. ;;


It's not THAT bad...yet

Dunno if you were watching the same series we were, but yeah, it is. CLG somehow manage to make hotshot not look like the worst player on the team by getting demolished in every lane.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
August 13 2012 15:10 GMT
#3203
On August 14 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:05 Dgiese wrote:
Jiji should just ask to swap roles with chauster when someone picks karth against him. Losing hard in farm, can't cancel ult.... like, shouldn't ori be able to bully karth really hard in lane?

Jiji's biggest problem is not being able to make plays by himself. Always been his biggest problem.

jiji's play is too much on the safe side. He needs to man up and do some crazy shit.
Terran
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
August 13 2012 15:10 GMT
#3204
Well that was one-sided
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 13 2012 15:11 GMT
#3205
On August 14 2012 00:08 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
I fear for CLG come S2 finals. ;;


It's not THAT bad...yet


They've been in Korea for months now. I was happy when I heard they were mass scrimming and winning a good chunk of them. But most recently, I've been hearing about the failings of jijimon and it just saddens me.

They should be riding high and getting even better. It's just not happening.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 13 2012 15:13 GMT
#3206
In other news, what is this Battle Royal(e)? da stream... es so gud. What's the tournament format and lineup?

ty
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 13 2012 15:13 GMT
#3207
On August 14 2012 00:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:08 nojitosunrise wrote:
On August 14 2012 00:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
I fear for CLG come S2 finals. ;;


It's not THAT bad...yet


They've been in Korea for months now. I was happy when I heard they were mass scrimming and winning a good chunk of them. But most recently, I've been hearing about the failings of jijimon and it just saddens me.

They should be riding high and getting even better. It's just not happening.



If people refuse to improve you cant get better and better. This is at least what chauster said.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
August 13 2012 15:15 GMT
#3208
I've been reading a lot on TL league forums and I remember seeing somewhere where people basically said useless masteries, things like ward distance, and reduced aoe damage. Can you guys name a few more. I forgot there was like 1 or two that suprised me, like uh, I seen someone say havoc isn't good at all and did lots of maths to back it up @__@ is there anything else that might look good to take but actually isnt? :o
wot?
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 15:17:07
August 13 2012 15:15 GMT
#3209
every week on monday 19:00KST, best of 5, winner gets 1 million won and winner moves on to the next week
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 13 2012 15:16 GMT
#3210
On August 14 2012 00:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
In other news, what is this Battle Royal(e)? da stream... es so gud. What's the tournament format and lineup?

ty





i think its weekly king of the hill, but my korean es no good.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 13 2012 15:17 GMT
#3211
Was this first week? Or who's shown in the past?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 13 2012 15:18 GMT
#3212
On August 14 2012 00:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Was this first week? Or who's shown in the past?



no from the new season its the 5th game. and iG won 4 ^^
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 13 2012 15:20 GMT
#3213
On August 14 2012 00:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Was this first week? Or who's shown in the past?

Previous weeks
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 13 2012 15:20 GMT
#3214
On August 13 2012 23:32 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 23:31 Caphe wrote:
How do you guys rate iG compare to WE after 3 games of this event?

Invictus Gaming > Noah's Ark >=(?) World Elite

Although maybe WE might bootcamp for Season 2 World Championship. So dunno.

lol its a bit early to call NA > WE. At least wait till BDMonster learns some non-Shaco junglers.

Also, disappointed that iG didn't pick Mordekaiser for Zzitai. Seeing as it's strong enough that WE bans it when they play against them.
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
August 13 2012 15:21 GMT
#3215
On August 14 2012 00:15 D u o wrote:
I've been reading a lot on TL league forums and I remember seeing somewhere where people basically said useless masteries, things like ward distance, and reduced aoe damage. Can you guys name a few more. I forgot there was like 1 or two that suprised me, like uh, I seen someone say havoc isn't good at all and did lots of maths to back it up @__@ is there anything else that might look good to take but actually isnt? :o

I know Mogwai (aka smash) did a bunch of analysis when the new masteries came out, but that was ages ago. I'm sure one of the guys who regularly crunches the numbers will pop in and help you out.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 13 2012 15:23 GMT
#3216
On August 14 2012 00:21 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:15 D u o wrote:
I've been reading a lot on TL league forums and I remember seeing somewhere where people basically said useless masteries, things like ward distance, and reduced aoe damage. Can you guys name a few more. I forgot there was like 1 or two that suprised me, like uh, I seen someone say havoc isn't good at all and did lots of maths to back it up @__@ is there anything else that might look good to take but actually isnt? :o

I know Mogwai (aka smash) did a bunch of analysis when the new masteries came out, but that was ages ago. I'm sure one of the guys who regularly crunches the numbers will pop in and help you out.

This was the discussion thread we had at the beginning of Season 2
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 15:31:53
August 13 2012 15:24 GMT
#3217
The +1 AP per mastery point is pretty much garbage. Many (most?) take +3 AD over +3AP even on their AP carries. Havoc is OK for casters with good base damage numbers but crap for carries and many bruisers.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285315&currentpage=11 here's wehre the "effective gold per point" analysis is.

Remember certain things have been nerfed - it's now only +1% AS per point, and the 1-2-3-4% crit mastery is now 0.125 AD/level (+9 AD @ 18. Breaks even with Butcher at level 8.)
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 13 2012 15:34 GMT
#3218
Havoc is garbage altogether,it's just that there is no better alternative for caster if you want to go 21 in offense.
Cackle™
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 13 2012 15:35 GMT
#3219
CLG.US wins on a regular basis, but fails to impress when they do so.
So, when they lose... It looks like they never won a single match to begin with XD

I'm waiting for HSGG to become a fully developed jungler !
The legend of Darien lives on
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23454 Posts
August 13 2012 15:35 GMT
#3220
The ap/lvl is also really bad. It's getting to the point that you're wondering is executioner really worth it?
aka Teutonica
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