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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 15:13:52
August 02 2012 15:13 GMT
#281
The thing is, since twitch is stealth all the way in the back, oracle isn't going to reveal him until the teamfight breaks out in which case the stealth is already broken. With other AD carries, you can register their position right before engaging. In contrast, the fact that it takes at least a half-second for the enemy team to register twitch's position after teamfight breaks out gives good value to the stealth mechanic.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 02 2012 15:27 GMT
#282
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 02 2012 15:31 GMT
#283
On August 03 2012 00:08 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:04 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 00:01 Cloud wrote:
On August 02 2012 15:38 Alzadar wrote:
On August 02 2012 14:35 Cloud wrote:
On August 02 2012 13:33 Alzadar wrote:
On August 02 2012 13:21 Cloud wrote:
The twitch buff has to be the dumbest buff ever. I guess it's not that bad but he needs to be nerfed not buffed.


What? Do elaborate, I've barely seen any Twitch since the rework, and this buff is tiny.

Impossible to trade with him in lane, except for very early game which this buff targetted. Dumb steroids on movement speed, attack speed, range. Nuke that feels like it's an ap carry nuke. And in teamfights his damage is like you combined vayne and kogmaw into a single champion, not to mention his cloak means your team absolutely needs an oracle unless you want your backline instantly murdered. If people start playing him i have no doubt he'll instantly become the first ban of the game. Did i mention the true damage passive which is completely over the top.


I tried playing Twitch a bit after the rework and he felt pretty good, but his laning is not what I'd write home about. His only way to trade is through auto-attacking, Expunge is pretty strong indeed but only after landing 6 auto-attacks, at which point it does about 150% of Graves' Q damage.

His movement speed bonus is 20%. His attack speed steroid is good (30-70% for 5 seconds) but not remarkable (Graves has 40-80% for 4 seconds, Tristana 30-90% for 7 seconds). Twitch passive is slightly better than Corki's at early levels, but is outscaled eventually.

I'm not sure what to say about an AD carry using his only escape to get into your back line. Just fucking kill him?

His ultimate is very good, but it is basically the only reason to pick him, so it had better be good.


I don't think you realize how fast a twitch with ie pd can bring down 2 carries while the tanks are busy fighting each other.

Oracle still ends him. Your only positioning/escape/mobility ability is centered around a mechanic that can be entirely countered for 400g. Unless you win your lane hard enough that the enemy team can never afford Oracle's, he'll always be an undewhelming AD carry, imo.


Ends him how? Oracle gives him the chance to get the jump on the squishies which is any ad carry dream, except the rest actually have to deal with the tank line. If the other team has oracles, he still has all the steroids + the biggest range in the game + the best ad carry aoe + the most damage, all you need is the faintest idea of how to play ad carry to win your team the game.

Ok, maybe not ends him, but he's still rather underwhelming outside of his ult once the enemy team has Oracles. If he gets focused or dove by a bruiser, he has nothing to get out, and if the enemy has better positioning, he has no way to get in to a proper position. He has no blink/dash, and his slow isn't the best by a long shot. If I wanted super strong AD AoE damage, I'd rather have Graves pretty much every time.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 02 2012 15:43 GMT
#284
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 02 2012 15:46 GMT
#285
On August 03 2012 00:43 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.


Every goddamn streamer.
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 15:48:52
August 02 2012 15:47 GMT
#286
On August 03 2012 00:43 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.


I sometimes tab out after I queue, and if I don't have my headphones on, I'm effectively AFK. Gosh darn new features!
The "Decline" button being placed where "Play now!" used to be doesn't help either.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
August 02 2012 15:55 GMT
#287
On August 03 2012 00:43 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.


They also made some bullshit change 2 patches ago where there is no starting sound when que pops in ranked, and it also doesn't switch your computer's focus to the LoL client like it used to. A game can pop and you can have no idea unless you tab back in
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 02 2012 15:57 GMT
#288
On August 03 2012 00:55 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:43 HazMat wrote:
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.


They also made some bullshit change 2 patches ago where there is no starting sound when que pops in ranked, and it also doesn't switch your computer's focus to the LoL client like it used to. A game can pop and you can have no idea unless you tab back in

Overreaction to the "ZOMG MY EARS ARE BLEEDING" sound that used to play when queue popped/game started. Can't seem to hit a middle of the road balance.
It's your boy Guzma!
StateAlchemist
Profile Joined January 2011
France1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 16:07:08
August 02 2012 16:02 GMT
#289
So if they buff their client as well as they buff their champions, we're screwed.
Oh wait.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 02 2012 16:07 GMT
#290
On August 03 2012 00:55 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:43 HazMat wrote:
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.


They also made some bullshit change 2 patches ago where there is no starting sound when que pops in ranked, and it also doesn't switch your computer's focus to the LoL client like it used to. A game can pop and you can have no idea unless you tab back in

Mine still brings LoL up when I'm tabbed out when queue pops...
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 02 2012 16:12 GMT
#291
On August 02 2012 16:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Sej is secret op'd.


I don't think she's OP, but she's probably not a bad choice given that all the actual OP junglers are banned.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 02 2012 16:13 GMT
#292
it decreases dodges im sure
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 02 2012 16:15 GMT
#293
Some dumb questions:

Okay, so Sion's ulti gives him 100% lifesteal on his autoattacks. Suppose you had a BT-- would that mean you go over 100% lifesteal? Would using the ulti proc spell vamp?

Last night I DC'd from a game I was spectating. However, the game kept going for around 30 seconds before it froze, so I guess the "replay" is already downloaded to your computer and that there is merely a delay from what you can see and what is downloaded/played out. Since you essentially have the "replay" downloading "real-time", isn't that exploitable to some degree?
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 16:25:06
August 02 2012 16:21 GMT
#294
On August 03 2012 01:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
Okay, so Sion's ulti gives him 100% lifesteal on his autoattacks. Suppose you had a BT-- would that mean you go over 100% lifesteal?

Yes. Lifesteal has no cap on it. Same goes for Spellvamp. So for example, multiple BTs would stack. WotA would not stack because it is a unique effect. However, WotA and Hextech Revolver and Hextech Gunblade can stack. (Whether you would want to get all three is another question...).

Also, WotA stacks between players. That is, if two players on the same team have a WotA each, they receive both their own WotA aura and their ally's WotA aura.

On August 03 2012 01:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
Would using the ulti proc spell vamp?

No. The spell itself does no damage and therefore is not affected by spellvamp. His Q and W are however.

On August 03 2012 01:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
Last night I DC'd from a game I was spectating. However, the game kept going for around 30 seconds before it froze, so I guess the "replay" is already downloaded to your computer and that there is merely a delay from what you can see and what is downloaded/played out. Since you essentially have the "replay" downloading "real-time", isn't that exploitable to some degree?

The spectator servers are separate from the game servers and filter data with a built in delay. If you disconnect from a spectating game, it may be the case your client has bugged itself but is still capable of receiving certain inputs from the spec server. Also, sometimes the client takes the last known game input and continues to "play out" the command it has been given. That's why sometimes if you d/c from a game you still see people trying to hit minions or walking around even though the game is crashed.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
August 02 2012 17:02 GMT
#295



I posted about seeing this happen yesterday, and now there's a handy video on Reddit about it. Seems to be that CC overlapping with Twisted Advance can get you stuck permanently(Notice that Nocturne's fear procs as Maokai uses Twisted Advance, and someone else in the Reddit thread reporting getting stuck while Advancing into a Veigar stun).

People should probably avoid playing Maokai for the time being.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 02 2012 17:24 GMT
#296
On August 03 2012 00:57 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:55 Perplex wrote:
On August 03 2012 00:43 HazMat wrote:
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.


They also made some bullshit change 2 patches ago where there is no starting sound when que pops in ranked, and it also doesn't switch your computer's focus to the LoL client like it used to. A game can pop and you can have no idea unless you tab back in

Overreaction to the "ZOMG MY EARS ARE BLEEDING" sound that used to play when queue popped/game started. Can't seem to hit a middle of the road balance.

Hey that was a real problem for those of us wearing headphones . I had to turn off the client sounds for a month because of it lol.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
August 02 2012 17:27 GMT
#297
On August 03 2012 00:46 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 00:43 HazMat wrote:
On August 03 2012 00:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wowowoww new matchmaking feature is awesome

What's so great about it? If people want to afk in champ select they still can. I'm sure a majority of randoms are people just dodge trolling. Who the hell goes afk 1 minute or less after queueing. This is really only helpful at the top top Elos where queue times are actually something you can forget about.


Every goddamn streamer.


Ahaha, this is so true.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
August 02 2012 17:31 GMT
#298
My goodness it's been 10 minutes and I still haven't gotten into a game because someone is "afk" or dodges the que at the last second.

I was looking forward to this change but IMO the afk timer has to be a little longer (like 20 seconds).
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 02 2012 17:32 GMT
#299
What exactly is the new matchmaking feature?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 17:56:37
August 02 2012 17:56 GMT
#300
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2428425

New AFK detection for matchmade games
Players are now given an option to "Accept" or "Decline" a game when the matchmaking queue pops
Champion selection does not begin until all players accept the game
If any player declines the game, or fails to respond, the game is disbanded
Solo players who accepted the game are returned to the front of the matchmaking queue
Solo players who declined the game, or failed to respond, are removed from the matchmaking queue
Pre-made teams whose members all accepted the game are returned to the front of the matchmaking queue
Pre-made teams with at least one member who declined the game, or failed to respond, are returned to the arranged team lobby
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