EPTOn August 02 2012 18:11 JackDino wrote:
Why play garen pant when you can play xin pant.
Why play garen pant when you can play xin pant.
someone watching dyrus op xin pantehon lane
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eagle
United States693 Posts
someone watching dyrus op xin pantehon lane | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
I don't watch dyrus, both champs just absolutely crush squishies, garen does too but only if they bad enough to let him get in range. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 02 2012 07:17 Requizen wrote: All Moonlight marks are consumed on using Ult, even on targets you didn't hit. That would have been OP as balls if it didn't. Interesting to note: her passive has some cool interactions, like proc'ing spell vamp and popping spell shields. Apparently acts as a spell instead of a standard auto enhancer. Unless I have no idea how most auto enhancers work. Doesn't jax's every-third-hit work like that too? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 02 2012 15:29 Perplex wrote: Yeah pretty much. No escape at all. Look at the other AD's with no escape: Ashe, sivir, kog'maw. Ashe is played somewhat, but that's because she makes up for her lack of escapes with insane slows/king and her ult. Sivir on the other hand is rarely played (but I guess spell shield still counts for something). Kog deals more damage with a full build than any other AD in the game, and he also has insane range and a really strong poking ultimate, so it's harder to engage on him if he's using his range properly. Twitch on the other hand has nothing to make up for it, just pure damage. A good team will zerg you. I'm not saying he shouldn't be played. I haven't explored it myself, but this is just my theory as to why people don't play him. And... he has kogmaw's range on his ultimate, albeit not consistently like Kog. Still, by the time you're done with your ult, that teamfight will not be what it was when it started. Twitch brings one thing almost no other AD carry does - strong AoE (though not as retarded as pre-rework) If you have a team that can set that up for you, it can be devastating. It's a good thing it's not what it was before the rework. You don't need 6 stacks of poison to use expunge in a trade. You can trade with autos, maybe toss a cask, then when the trade is over, you press expunge. If they trade up to 6 stacks with you, one of you is probably staying in the trade too long, but that expunge will really hurt. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
In tests, the bot lane meta soon descended into a pink ward war, which lead to me developing 2xpink 2xgreen openings. It's slightly more flexible than 3xpink openings since it gives you the flexibility of setting up safety wards for the river and choosing to deal with Twitch by forcing him to under his tower. As Twitch, you don't want to have you lane pushed beyond mid-river because then you lose the brush control you rely on. Oh, and Leona+Corki/Ez destroys him lol. I tended to play the support in the lanes so someone else can probably explain how to lane Twitch better than me. Something to note though is that both Eve and Twitch seemed to fit in better with the Korean style of play than the generic EU/NE style and greater bot lane action worked much better than the generic camp top style. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On August 02 2012 17:21 Xevious wrote: Ok new op strategy: lvl 1 kill lane corki/taric basically what you do is you do doran blade start corki, 22 ad rune page and learn e, then have taric learn w then you camp in 2nd bot brush and when one of them facechecks you one shot them in like half a second with ignite/exhaust and taric autos (taric does ad runes if possible). double armor shred is basically true dmg so your autos alone like half shot them its crazy as fuck. me and smash did this it was the first time trying it out and it still fucking worked we were forced to 2v1 top though but we raped the shit out of this noob ass vlad who last game in queue said it wasn't going to work then some guy on the enemy team dodged then the he was the enemy next game and we did it and raped his shit. we lost that game cuz we got camped hard but if we played it better or people who actually fucking played those roles did it and did it in bot lane instead of 2v1 top it would work much better, free bot snowball then taric zones them the entire game cuz 1 stun = dead only counter is jungle camp so you just ward your shit and its gg. it's better with taric ashe, and it used to be really good with sona ashe and even better when taric had AP ratios crit + volley is a lot more damage than corki can output at level 1 even with armor shred, and volley also applies some soft cc to make taric's autos a little easier used to do that alllll the time with sona/ashe though. charged Q powerchord + Q on sona with all ap, crit + volley on ashe with all AD, double ignite, it was like 700 damage at level 1 that could hit both targets if they came in together | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
nope, just tested it. volley does not slow at level 1. interesting. it used to back when i did sona/ashe all the time!  | ||
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byFd
Germany620 Posts
On August 02 2012 21:57 gtrsrs wrote: nope, just tested it. volley does not slow at level 1. interesting. it used to back when i did sona/ashe all the time! pretty sure it never was that way. not even before sona was released. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
One of the funnier things I've done in a while. Abyssal is really good and I pushed back AS items that game. AS is really good but I suppose that with her passive + AS marks, getting something like Wit's isn't as important early in the game. I still ended up getting it later in the game though. Also I feel like Randuin's is better than FH. Getting a good E off in the middle of the enemy team followed with the Randuin's active is pretty devastating. And CDR doesn't seem that important to her. She really is an autoattacker. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On August 02 2012 20:30 Ryuu314 wrote: how many of u guys are still gettin hog after the nerfs? I only get it on champs where randuin's is core; since I know I'll be getting randuin's, early HoG -> late randuin's always pays for itself. On any other champ, I don't get it anymore (example: used to get double gp10 on Olaf, now I just get philo -> shurelya's, since I only get randuin's if I need to stack armor). Any champs that I decide to get randuin's on during mid-game or late-game I go warden's mail first. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 02 2012 16:00 ihasaKAROT wrote: Can someone explain to me why the Amumu changes happend? A lvl 20 rioter lost to AP amumu bot on easy mode. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On August 02 2012 15:38 Alzadar wrote: I tried playing Twitch a bit after the rework and he felt pretty good, but his laning is not what I'd write home about. His only way to trade is through auto-attacking, Expunge is pretty strong indeed but only after landing 6 auto-attacks, at which point it does about 150% of Graves' Q damage. His movement speed bonus is 20%. His attack speed steroid is good (30-70% for 5 seconds) but not remarkable (Graves has 40-80% for 4 seconds, Tristana 30-90% for 7 seconds). Twitch passive is slightly better than Corki's at early levels, but is outscaled eventually. I'm not sure what to say about an AD carry using his only escape to get into your back line. Just fucking kill him? His ultimate is very good, but it is basically the only reason to pick him, so it had better be good. I don't think you realize how fast a twitch with ie pd can bring down 2 carries while the tanks are busy fighting each other. Also, no, it's not the only reason. I already mentioned them. He has more steroids than any other champion in the game, he can split push unlike any other ad carry in the game, he is very dangerous to be alone against, if you think you have an advantage and you're doing baron your squishies best be careful not to be outside of the den if twitch is around or he will murder your team one by one. And in teamfights twitch is the only ad carry who can slip past the tank line against a team with no oracles and kill the carries before they can even react. Twitch's passive does ~400 true damage in teamfights to each one of his targets. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 03 2012 00:01 Cloud wrote: I don't think you realize how fast a twitch with ie pd can bring down 2 carries while the tanks are busy fighting each other. Oracle still ends him. Your only positioning/escape/mobility ability is centered around a mechanic that can be entirely countered for 400g. Unless you win your lane hard enough that the enemy team can never afford Oracle's, he'll always be an undewhelming AD carry, imo. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On August 02 2012 23:16 Requizen wrote: I don't know, wouldn't CDR allow you to get more mobility, slows, and shields off? Not necessarily damage-wise, but just from abilities and utility I'd think it was a good stat. I just don't think the CDR is good enough to offset how much stronger the randuin active is than the fh passive. Its not like she plays like a caster anyway. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On August 03 2012 00:04 Requizen wrote: Oracle still ends him. Your only positioning/escape/mobility ability is centered around a mechanic that can be entirely countered for 400g. Unless you win your lane hard enough that the enemy team can never afford Oracle's, he'll always be an undewhelming AD carry, imo. Ends him how? Oracle gives him the chance to get the jump on the squishies which is any ad carry dream, except the rest actually have to deal with the tank line. If the other team has oracles, he still has all the steroids + the biggest range in the game + the best ad carry aoe + the most damage, all you need is the faintest idea of how to play ad carry to win your team the game. | ||
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