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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 02 2012 05:06 GMT
#221
On August 02 2012 14:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I agree with the Abyssal, but I think she also needs the AS, and I really didn't like Malady that much on her. I'm not really sure what best course of action for fixing that would be (maybe Ionic Spark for super aoe attacks huehue)

Evidence: one game on PBE with my jungle experience.

Zekes and Zerks both seem smoother to buy.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 02 2012 05:10 GMT
#222
Zeeks may be best choice. It fits a bit better I think (CDR, AS, life steal), and then she can build a bit tankier with Mercs or Tabi. She is real good at sticking to a target, so building tankier felt nice so I could just be a pain in the ass to their carry. I liked Abyssal/Zhonya, but obviously that's difficult with jungle farm.

I think she could have merit top lane (or maybe mid as well) instead of solely in the jungle.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 02 2012 05:13 GMT
#223
On August 02 2012 14:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I think she could have merit top lane (or maybe mid as well) instead of solely in the jungle.

I think that will largely depend on how her matchups are in either place. At first glance, top seems weird because her W's mana cost scales pretty aggressively, and she has no other form of sustain, and mid seems weird because trying to insta-clear creep waves with her spells looks like it could be clunky. Can't really decide without playing it out though.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 05:40:46
August 02 2012 05:35 GMT
#224
On August 02 2012 13:33 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 13:21 Cloud wrote:
The twitch buff has to be the dumbest buff ever. I guess it's not that bad but he needs to be nerfed not buffed.


What? Do elaborate, I've barely seen any Twitch since the rework, and this buff is tiny.

Impossible to trade with him in lane, except for very early game which this buff targetted. Dumb steroids on movement speed, attack speed, range. Nuke that feels like it's an ap carry nuke. And in teamfights his damage is like you combined vayne and kogmaw into a single champion, not to mention his cloak means your team absolutely needs an oracle unless you want your backline instantly murdered. If people start playing him i have no doubt he'll instantly become the first ban of the game. Did i mention the true damage passive which is completely over the top.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 02 2012 05:35 GMT
#225
Her jungle looks like is what's going to be strong, just due to her ability to clear fairly quickly due to her passive.
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 05:55:28
August 02 2012 05:54 GMT
#226
can anyone explain how to counter zyra...

I have tried MS quints and boots 3pots but even if i dodge the SS the plants still do quite a lot of dmg...

Played Kass and I couldn't trade as she was quite tanky.
Played Swain and it is quite difficult

Zyra's kit is just perfect and her dps is quite absurd imo. Except her ult which is kinda easy to dodge (at least the knock up portion of it.)
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 02 2012 05:58 GMT
#227
OK I just went back and looked at Twitch's numbers.

Why is nobody playing this guy?
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 06:38:06
August 02 2012 06:19 GMT
#228
On August 02 2012 14:58 TheYango wrote:
OK I just went back and looked at Twitch's numbers.

Why is nobody playing this guy?


No blink.
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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
August 02 2012 06:29 GMT
#229
On August 02 2012 15:19 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 14:58 TheYango wrote:
OK I just went back and looked at Twitch's numbers.

Why is nobody playing this guy?


No blink.


Yeah pretty much. No escape at all. Look at the other AD's with no escape: Ashe, sivir, kog'maw. Ashe is played somewhat, but that's because she makes up for her lack of escapes with insane slows/king and her ult. Sivir on the other hand is rarely played (but I guess spell shield still counts for something). Kog deals more damage with a full build than any other AD in the game, and he also has insane range and a really strong poking ultimate, so it's harder to engage on him if he's using his range properly.

Twitch on the other hand has nothing to make up for it, just pure damage. A good team will zerg you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be played. I haven't explored it myself, but this is just my theory as to why people don't play him.
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 06:31:40
August 02 2012 06:30 GMT
#230
On August 02 2012 14:58 TheYango wrote:
OK I just went back and looked at Twitch's numbers.

Why is nobody playing this guy?


I've seen two twitches so far which is really low considering how much damage he does. The moment he hits level 3, walk into bush and stealth, get close > venomcask+exhaust+ignite +autoattacks and then expunge after they get out of range to auto/flash/get under tower. I haven't seen any twitch fail to at least force double summoners if not kill bottom lane. It does stupid amounts of damage especially since every autoattack has a delayed 12 stacking true damage so you're getting ~100 true damage from passive and another hundred from your E.

He suffers from the need to be protected later in the game since his W isn't anywhere near what kog's E does but he still hurts.
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
August 02 2012 06:31 GMT
#231
As someone who just redownloaded LoL last night after 10+months of just playing dota, What "role" would you guys suggest I attempt to learn first. I don't really have many heroes unlocked, just some fun ones like TF/warwik from when i last played, but the free hero rotation should suffice i believe?

I would usually play jungler in dota but it seems very different in lol. So i didn't want to assume,
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
August 02 2012 06:34 GMT
#232
On August 02 2012 14:54 heroyi wrote:
can anyone explain how to counter zyra...

I have tried MS quints and boots 3pots but even if i dodge the SS the plants still do quite a lot of dmg...

Played Kass and I couldn't trade as she was quite tanky.
Played Swain and it is quite difficult

Zyra's kit is just perfect and her dps is quite absurd imo. Except her ult which is kinda easy to dodge (at least the knock up portion of it.)


zyra just broken atm, ._.. hopefully retuned soon. read regi's zyra guild "ZYRA IS BROKEN" for reasoning
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 06:40:31
August 02 2012 06:37 GMT
#233
On August 02 2012 15:29 Perplex wrote:
Yeah pretty much. No escape at all. Look at the other AD's with no escape: Ashe, sivir, kog'maw. Ashe is played somewhat, but that's because she makes up for her lack of escapes with insane slows/king and her ult. Sivir on the other hand is rarely played (but I guess spell shield still counts for something). Kog deals more damage with a full build than any other AD in the game, and he also has insane range and a really strong poking ultimate, so it's harder to engage on him if he's using his range properly.

Twitch on the other hand has nothing to make up for it, just pure damage. A good team will zerg you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be played. I haven't explored it myself, but this is just my theory as to why people don't play him.

Except Twitch's ult gives him 90 more rage than Kog-maw's W, for only 1 second less duration. It has a long CD, but neither will come off CD in a relevant amount of time in a teamfight--it just means you can't blow Twitch ult to poke towers.

Remember Twitch's R is no longer limited to a certain number of shots.

Also, having a stealth skill that gives you 20% MS while stealthed as well is very different from "no escape at all", even when detection is in play.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
August 02 2012 06:38 GMT
#234
On August 02 2012 14:35 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 13:33 Alzadar wrote:
On August 02 2012 13:21 Cloud wrote:
The twitch buff has to be the dumbest buff ever. I guess it's not that bad but he needs to be nerfed not buffed.


What? Do elaborate, I've barely seen any Twitch since the rework, and this buff is tiny.

Impossible to trade with him in lane, except for very early game which this buff targetted. Dumb steroids on movement speed, attack speed, range. Nuke that feels like it's an ap carry nuke. And in teamfights his damage is like you combined vayne and kogmaw into a single champion, not to mention his cloak means your team absolutely needs an oracle unless you want your backline instantly murdered. If people start playing him i have no doubt he'll instantly become the first ban of the game. Did i mention the true damage passive which is completely over the top.


I tried playing Twitch a bit after the rework and he felt pretty good, but his laning is not what I'd write home about. His only way to trade is through auto-attacking, Expunge is pretty strong indeed but only after landing 6 auto-attacks, at which point it does about 150% of Graves' Q damage.

His movement speed bonus is 20%. His attack speed steroid is good (30-70% for 5 seconds) but not remarkable (Graves has 40-80% for 4 seconds, Tristana 30-90% for 7 seconds). Twitch passive is slightly better than Corki's at early levels, but is outscaled eventually.

I'm not sure what to say about an AD carry using his only escape to get into your back line. Just fucking kill him?

His ultimate is very good, but it is basically the only reason to pick him, so it had better be good.
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
August 02 2012 07:00 GMT
#235
Can someone explain to me why the Amumu changes happend?
KCCO!
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
August 02 2012 07:08 GMT
#236
On August 02 2012 15:37 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 15:29 Perplex wrote:
Yeah pretty much. No escape at all. Look at the other AD's with no escape: Ashe, sivir, kog'maw. Ashe is played somewhat, but that's because she makes up for her lack of escapes with insane slows/king and her ult. Sivir on the other hand is rarely played (but I guess spell shield still counts for something). Kog deals more damage with a full build than any other AD in the game, and he also has insane range and a really strong poking ultimate, so it's harder to engage on him if he's using his range properly.

Twitch on the other hand has nothing to make up for it, just pure damage. A good team will zerg you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be played. I haven't explored it myself, but this is just my theory as to why people don't play him.

Except Twitch's ult gives him 90 more rage than Kog-maw's W, for only 1 second less duration. It has a long CD, but neither will come off CD in a relevant amount of time in a teamfight--it just means you can't blow Twitch ult to poke towers.

Remember Twitch's R is no longer limited to a certain number of shots.

Also, having a stealth skill that gives you 20% MS while stealthed as well is very different from "no escape at all", even when detection is in play.


Kog's is his W and Twitch's is his R, which is an important distinction too.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 02 2012 07:09 GMT
#237
On August 02 2012 15:31 SirMilford wrote:
As someone who just redownloaded LoL last night after 10+months of just playing dota, What "role" would you guys suggest I attempt to learn first. I don't really have many heroes unlocked, just some fun ones like TF/warwik from when i last played, but the free hero rotation should suffice i believe?

I would usually play jungler in dota but it seems very different in lol. So i didn't want to assume,


I wouldn't worry about it for now. Just go in whatever lane works, because until you're higher up in levels the meta doesn't really apply. Lots of games with no junglers or weird lane comps. Just dick around with champs and learn what they all do. Once you get a handle on somethings then worry about a focus.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 02 2012 07:13 GMT
#238
On August 02 2012 16:00 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Can someone explain to me why the Amumu changes happend?

Too much damage for his amazing kit
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dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
August 02 2012 07:17 GMT
#239
On August 02 2012 15:30 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 14:58 TheYango wrote:
OK I just went back and looked at Twitch's numbers.

Why is nobody playing this guy?


I've seen two twitches so far which is really low considering how much damage he does. The moment he hits level 3, walk into bush and stealth, get close > venomcask+exhaust+ignite +autoattacks and then expunge after they get out of range to auto/flash/get under tower. I haven't seen any twitch fail to at least force double summoners if not kill bottom lane. It does stupid amounts of damage especially since every autoattack has a delayed 12 stacking true damage so you're getting ~100 true damage from passive and another hundred from your E.

He suffers from the need to be protected later in the game since his W isn't anywhere near what kog's E does but he still hurts.


The problem is a good bot lane will A: ward the brush and B: run the hell away when you go invis/out of sight.

He really shouldn't ever get an ambush off, except though mindgames.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 02 2012 07:19 GMT
#240
On August 02 2012 16:00 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Can someone explain to me why the Amumu changes happend?

because riot hates fun
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