EPTphilo bruta, bash ppl on the head with your hammer of god
i'm a cs thief with taric tho
edit: with arpen reds + everything else armor and 21 def
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
philo bruta, bash ppl on the head with your hammer of god i'm a cs thief with taric tho edit: with arpen reds + everything else armor and 21 def | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 10 2012 01:37 Ryuu314 wrote: Imo it makes more sense the way Chiharu does it. Taric/Leona have natural defensive steroids from their respective Ws so the need for armor is much lower. Passive supports, while they won't be front-lining as much as Taric/Leona, they will and do take hits here and there especially in lane where the support makes a lot of the plays. Couple that with the fact that most supports have low base stats you're going to want to be a little tankier in lane or risk gettin blown up. That being said, I use gp10 runes on all my supports but that's cause i'm too lazy to make multiple rune pages for my supports x] My thought process behind the armor yellows on leona and taric, is mostly because when i choose these supports, I will play deadly aggressive on level 2-3. leona and taric are prone to getting shot at/hurt the most due to their melee kit, not to mention often the main target of counter aggression after initiation on a fight. When you go in for a stun on an enemy carry, this is what's going to happen. They're going to flash out/escape then start hitting you as hard as possible. the armor yellows help a lot. especially if you're taric and your aura is down due to using W. also, after proceeding to win lane, you generally want to zone the enemy carry, you'll be prone to harassment during this time as well. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 10 2012 01:43 barbsq wrote: lol, u guys are all playing taric wrong. philo bruta, bash ppl on the head with your hammer of god i'm a cs thief with taric tho No you sir are doing it wrong. Rush mejais, don't look back. 20 stacks at 20 mins. Support soloing their AD cause you're GEMS. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Not to mention, MS quints is something you want when you're winning in lane, they're fairly useless when lane is lost. gp10 quints always relevant. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
it's pretty hilarious how badly you outtrade the opposing ad before he shops, and they never expect it. (lvl2 pix srs business) | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
If they're tanky, spam buffs and heals on them. Most useful: Zilean, Karma, Lulu If it's someone like Master Yi, no amount of buffifying will change that he dies before he can kill everything. Get a team full of AoE disables and damage, and let Yi clean up. Zilean is still supergdlkuseful here. To deal with super kitey types, you need some hard engages (often overlaps with the AoE disables). An assassin in one of the lanes helps. In draft mode, you can ban things that you think you can't deal with, such as Ashe if you're running Nasus. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On August 10 2012 01:47 wei2coolman wrote: Ms quints are unnecessary on supports. Ad carries are the slowest champs in the game, if you can't catch them with a cc with MS from your utility tree, along with naturally faster ms, with addition to bush usage, then those ms quints ain't gunna help you. Not to mention, MS quints is something you want when you're winning in lane, they're fairly useless when lane is lost. gp10 quints always relevant. Why would anyone ever go mobies on supports, then? Fact: MS quints WILL help you catch someone for your Headbutt/Pulverize/Tornado/Zenith Blade/Dazzle. Fact: GP/10 quints won't help you do that. Also, your reasoning is flawed. ADCs have escapes, they will buy boots2 before you do. They WILL be faster at some point, and you WILL want to catch up to them. You need to move a lot as a support, to roam, to place wards, to clear them when you have Oracle's. If anything, MS quints are the most versatile choice for a support, especially for Taric/Blitz/Leona/Naut. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 10 2012 01:39 wei2coolman wrote: Ms quints are terrible on supports imo. Pretty useless most of the time.... unless you do the whole roaming support meta thingy. I can see them being good on agressive supports like leona, or taric but that's about it. If the enemy ad carry has boots2 before you, which they should, ms quints won't help you anyways. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 10 2012 01:54 Shiv. wrote: Why would anyone ever go mobies on supports, then? Fact: MS quints WILL help you catch someone for your Headbutt/Pulverize/Tornado/Zenith Blade/Dazzle. Fact: GP/10 quints won't help you do that. Also, your reasoning is flawed. ADCs have escapes, they will buy boots2 before you do. They WILL be faster at some point, and you WILL want to catch up to them. You need to move a lot as a support, to roam, to place wards, to clear them when you have Oracle's. If anything, MS quints are the most versatile choice for a support, especially for Taric/Blitz/Leona/Naut. Mobility boots on support have fallen out of favor, I don't think i've seen them on one in a longgggggggggggg time. And you're talking about the difference between mobility boots additional MS, vs ms quints additional MS. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On August 10 2012 01:55 JackDino wrote: I can see them being good on agressive supports like leona, or taric but that's about it. If the enemy ad carry has boots2 before you, which they should, ms quints won't help you anyways. I just like MS quints more than gp10 quints, cus gp10 quints are seriously shit. 3 gp10 is 18 gold/minute. That's a ward every 4th minute or so, which is like completely neglible where as MS quints will allow me to do other things: - Superior movement advantage over the opposing ad and support untill ad gets zerkers - Easier time roaming and getting back to lane But really the most important thing i've noticed is how many times i'm able to catch up to ganks when i'm running MS quints on anyone. A clutch soraka heal, clutch sona ult, the list is endless. No way can a ward every now and then be better than that. Ever | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:01 Sponkz wrote: I just like MS quints more than gp10 quints, cus gp10 quints are seriously shit. 3 gp10 is 18 gold/minute. That's a ward every 4th minute or so, which is like completely neglible where as MS quints will allow me to alot of things: - Superior movement advantage over the opposing ad and support untill ad gets zerkers - Easier time roaming and getting back to lane But really the most important thing i've noticed is how many times i'm able to catch up to ganks when i'm running MS quints on anyone. A clutch soraka heal, clutch sona ult, the list is endless. No way can a ward every now and then be better than that. Ever Is wriggles ward negligible? cuz essentially that's what you just said. A ward every 4minutes is pretty good...... Especially the way lane setups are now, in which supports rarely get a chance to CS. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
lets just say ever since The Yango convinced me farming =/= bad I've been getting aegis 10 min faster and it has not hurt my ad. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:03 wei2coolman wrote: Is wriggles ward negligible? cuz essentially that's what you just said. A ward every 4minutes is pretty good...... Especially the way lane setups are now, in which supports rarely get a chance to CS. You're comparing a 1600 gold item which also takes a slot in your inventory aswell. Don't take all this "supports shouldn't be getting cs" all that serious anymore. Even competetively i've seen supports netting a few cs now and then (and then there's gosu pepper who is actually allowed by genja to share his but that's another story). People realize how much of a difference 10-20 cs can make on a support, where as the ad carry won't really feel much of a difference. And while we're at it, ad carries in solo queue (talking 1700 elo here) are still fucking bad at cs'ing and been playing roughly 40 games of support in solo queue, while at the same raising my elo roughly 150 i haven't recieved any complains from my ad, hell some of them even liked the fact that i took the cs they weren't able to get anyways. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 09 2012 22:24 Makavw wrote: Can anyone in this game deal 1v1 yorick without the assistance of junglers? I find it that it is completly broken he can harrass from afar and not pull minion aggro. And often it happens (even on 1700ish elo) that jungler is derping somewhere else or its just a bad top+jungle combo that cant really gank him. I tried with vlad last time and he completly outcsed me , throwing ghouls on evrey cooldown he had. I cannot outheal that dmg early game, and he just has more and more advantage going later due to his superior cs :/. tons of champs. Maybe just not Bruisers. On August 10 2012 00:05 sylverfyre wrote: Theres plenty of champions that snowball and have nothing to do with "refresh on kill" mechanics. Riven, Lee Sin, Irelia all can snowball top lane really hard. If Shyv/Lee/Skarner starts getting significantly stronger the opposing jungler, that jungler is not safe farming his own wraiths or wolves, let alone buff camps. Ahri Morgana Kassadin can snowball with their roaming strength, and aggressive bot lanes, like ones based around Leona or Blitz supports + an AD to complement can all snowball. Snowballing is part of the game. You get an advantage, and you use that advantage to create a bigger advantage, and so on. Nobody picks up first blood and then thinks "ok, now it's time to farm passively and not play aggressively at all, I got the 1 kill I needed." You take that advantage and you build it into a bigger advantage. I agree you should be aggressive but I usually think "ok I have an advantage, now just not to lose it". It's a different mentality. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
MS Quint on support? Sure, you can walk faster to get that Dazzle in but you're looking at it in a chasing scenario. Of fucking course +speed is going to be better than no speed. But in a laning situation, how exactly are those MS Quints going to help you trade? Better position and common sense on how to lane makes up for it. If you value outpacing your enemies so much, just get Boots of Mobility. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:15 MooMooMugi wrote: I get boots on mobility on supports when I dont get mercs vs double AP or ninja tabi on non-taric supports I do this too. I'm a fan of clutch Soraka heals, zoomzoom around the map for fast wards and getting back into lane, poking with Sona Q with ease, etc. MS Quints just feels stupid to me. Runes are meant to optimize laning phase, not niche scenarios where X runes could be better. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:14 NeoIllusions wrote: People need to stop trolling... MS Quint on support? Sure, you can walk faster to get that Dazzle in but you're looking at it in a chasing scenario. Of fucking course +speed is going to be better than no speed. But in a laning situation, how exactly are those MS Quints going to help you trade? Better position and common sense on how to lane makes up for it. If you value outpacing your enemies so much, just get Boots of Mobility. So just because it isn't played by everyone it's trolling all of a sudden? How are GP10 Quints going to help me trade in lane? It's not like you have to chose your quintessences based on what purely helps you trading in lane. Why would anyone besides APs ever run them based on that assumption? | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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