[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 65

On July 25 2012 10:08 Parnage wrote:
...Why are we speaking about smite stealing and calling it luck? Can anyone explain that to me because just reading over the last couple of pages it seems like someone who dives into baron pit at the right time, hits a smite at the right time, and isn't stopped from doing so should get baron because he or she simply played better and calling it luck feels.. ignorant to me.

On July 25 2012 11:25 Parnage wrote:
If at the end of the day smite is giving baron kills due to luck even if it's a set number that would indicate to me that it's anything but luck. I don't claim to be any good at this game but this is just that people need to either play safer(ward around baron, deal properly with junglers trying to steal) or that smite needs to be stronger on baron or perhaps people need to just handle Baron in a way that's safer.

I am not seeing a luck factor, I mean I guess you could call this mythical scenario in which both junglers hit smite on Baron at the exact same time luck but in the end it would come down to who's smite killed it which means someone hit too early and another too late.

That's not luck in my mind. *shrug*

On July 25 2012 09:36 r.Evo wrote:


Flat out calling luck bad game design is highly overstating it. It's e.g. hard to give highground an advantage without some form of a misschance. Sure you could simply say "ever 3rd attack to the highground will miss" but simply making 33% of your attacks miss creates small random situations which have the possibility to create majorly exciting situations. The huge amount of variables games like League, DotA or Starcraft offer already have some form of "luck" in their very design.

Since you're part of this Starcraft forum you surely remember all the moments with mines, reavers, highground advantages and similar "lucky situations" which created some of the biggest moments of starcraft history. Sure you can overdo it to some extent (Chaos Knight in DotA e.g., lol) but a certain amount of RNG in the right spots won't make a game less skillfull to play - just way more exciting. In some cases (e.g. highground advantage) I'd go as far as calling it great design because it's an elegant and simple solution to a certain problem.

On July 25 2012 09:39 Requizen wrote:

Yeah, that's why I edited it. Luck works in fringe cases, but basing a system around it (old Ret paladins, Seal of Command and Crit chance, etc...) is the worst fucking thing you can do to a game in my eyes.

On July 25 2012 07:56 Xevious wrote:

why? there are no other objectives that make it easier to push towers. this way fights can actually be forced as apposed to endless turtling.

if you're talking about the strength of baron himself (not what you gain from doing it) it doesn't even have to be buffed, making it so the buff would only affect inhib towers would prevent early baron from being op in the same way

edit: also if there's something so insanely wrong with towers not hitting champions it could just drastically reduce the damage towers do the champs so you can dive without your team getting kited under tower and killed.

On July 25 2012 08:23 r.Evo wrote:


Currently the entire point of League lategame is dancing around Baron and whoever gets that objective done properly wins the game. By the point you can get Baron towers aren't even a big problem anymore.

Dancing around a single objective playing "who kills wards" isn't fun to watch or fun to play, I'd rather see a weaker Baron buff or other measures to actually give the team which is behind a valid method of gaining control back of the game.