[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 2

Tristana
Explosive Shot
Fixed: Passive damage no longer activates from spell damage
Fixed: Tooltip now reflects the Ability Power ratio

On July 19 2012 10:40 GARO wrote:


I just found out today that the explosions on a large amount of creeps can instagib champs...jesus that was ridiculous.

On July 19 2012 10:53 gtrsrs wrote:
300 range nerf just means you'll actually expose yourself to counterplay if you try to get 2 or 3 hunters off, instead of being able to shoot from base all the way to dragon with no counterplay

edit: actually, urgot's lvl 1-4 just got a hell of a lot more dangerous looking at acid hunter's damage adjustments.

assume level 1 urgot with +16 bonus AD and 51.6 base AD

damage pre-change: 10 + .85 * (51.6 + 16) = 67.46

damage post change: 50 + 1.2 * 16 = 69.2

assume level 18 urgot with +120 bonus AD and 112.8 base AD

damage pre-change: 130 + .85 * ( 120 + 112.8) = 327.88

damage post-change: 170 + 1.2 * 120 = 314

if you build him glass it's more damage late game, if you build him tanky it's less damage.

the main nerfs are the range nerfs on 3 of his abilities. Reminds me of the orianna nerf, they reduced her ball range by like 100 then she went from FOTM to never played.

On July 19 2012 10:42 Ryuu314 wrote:

pretty sure that was unintentional. You were never supposed to be able to proc your explosive shot with anything but your autos, in my experience anyways. It was a recent patch that stealth changed that.

oh and am I the only one who's kinda disappointed that Malz's Q does all the damage in 1 strike instead of 2 now? Having it deal damage in 2 strikes meant that you could cast it through banshee's veil. If it does damage in 1 strike then it's always blocked completely by BV, but the damage is more consistent. I guess since no one really builds BV anymore it's not that big a deal but...

On July 19 2012 11:02 cLutZ wrote:
So, my thoughts:

1. Kassadin lvl 6 ganks too strong?
2. Malz/Eve/Twitch/Xin get long-needed retooling... are any going to be viable now?
3. Urgot nerfs were needed, but, I still don't like him. An ult still = a kill at any time so long as the Urgot is not an idiot.
4. Still don't like the support GP5 nerfs. Support meta is not going to change (it will never change without a significant retooling), only, being able to carry as a support gets even harder.

On July 19 2012 11:10 Vaporized wrote:

but they fixed malz pets man! im not sure what to think abuot the q change, ill have to try it tomorrow. malz is one of my top 3 favorite champs in the game, i cant wait!

On July 19 2012 11:11 Ryuu314 wrote:

1. It's a change that doesn't really do shit. You never use your R to damage in 75%+ of scenarios and when you do use it the damage shouldn't be very different from what it used to be.

2. Malz probably won't see much difference in play; if he does get popular the changes won't be the #1 reason why. Xin got crazy buffed; I personally think he'll get nerfed a bit. Eve still has shitty base stats but the new skill set might make up for it if she can jungle effectively. I don't play Twitch.

4. I feel like they wanted to circumvent the whole everyone buy gp10 no matter what from coming back, which was starting to happen. Honestly though, I felt like the HoG nerf was really stupid and unnecessary.


The voidling AI fix is nice and will definitely help his total dps, but Malz's problem was never his damage. The Q change is probably a net buff since you're now guaranteed the full damage if you hit it (before it was possible to hit for only half the damage since it was split into 2 strikes). The only downside is you can no longer cast it through BV, which probably isn't much of an issue since no one but Ryze even considers getting BV in the vast majority of cases now.

On July 19 2012 09:53 OutlaW- wrote:

You can only play ranked games (games to tryhard in, pro players play on them also) once you reach the max level (30), you get stuff like summoner spells and masteries with levels, and low levels play other low levels. Basically it's so that bad people start off by playing bad people (if why Riot implemented this feature was your question)

On July 19 2012 11:18 Vaporized wrote:


what are his other problems? im curious as ive been playing him again since the changes were announced and ive been doing really good with him. he just seems real snowballish to me, moreso then a lot of other ap's. a good early game with a kill or two and you can just dominate, but if you die to ganks a few times you really drop off. most champs are snowballey like that, but the difference on malz is like night and day.

i guess qss is one downside to malz. but if you are forcing the enemy carries to get qss youve already affected the game in a positive way, and his other skills do good damage too.

On July 19 2012 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:

No it didn't.
If anything the reduced range just nerfed him all around.
Have a look at some Reddit math:

On July 19 2012 13:05 dae wrote:
Riot needs to revert the que dodge penalty.

Currently as it stands at 2k elo in order to play one game you have to go through 3-5 picks and bans since someone ALWAYS dodges since 30 min penalty really means nothing to most people.

It is getting extremely frustrating to get a great team comp, great communication between players, and then just get dodged since someone didnt like the teams.