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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 31 2012 04:47 GMT
#2521
Lol I remember watching that video months and months ago when boes told me to, CSheep da best AP mid in da world
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 04:58:51
July 31 2012 04:58 GMT
#2522
this is why i dont jungle ;_;

i'm never gonna live that vid down D:
TranslatorBaa!
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
July 31 2012 05:29 GMT
#2523
On July 31 2012 13:25 sung_moon wrote:
Quick question.
Don't really follow the pro LoL scene, but after playign a few with my buddies who do, I'm kind of wondering why Lulu support doesn't get played more often. Been using her this past week, and damn she seems soooooooooooooo good. Decent shield, w is a silence/slow, ult is pretty good cc, q seems like good poking/abusable slow.

She's no Janna, but she seem's ridiculously solid (and fun).


Dig ran a bunch of Lulu in the TSM invitational. Other than that I dont remember seeing much of her since she was nerfed.
I really want Lulu to be a better support, but I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't rather have Janna instead of Lulu.
Janna is faster, escapes ganks easier, and her shield is way better than lulu's. Lulu is a nice provider of CC, but she's squishy and slow.
On the plus side, in small skirmishes Lulu really excels and in certain team comps her ult is extremely powerful (e.g. ulting Malphite after a good malphite ult can be a stupid good initiation)

/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 05:59:22
July 31 2012 05:51 GMT
#2524
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

Edit: The question sounds kind of dumb and simple, but let me be more specific.

Jungling Shyv, put our top way ahead, camped mid a bit, our bot was doing fine. It came to the point where mid kept feeding and I had to sit there instead of farming or counterjungling (played Shyv, they had a J4 jungle). Eventually they just group pushed and we were so far behind that they crushed us with a Trist ghost and I couldn't tank anything. What would have been the proper play, put bot and top more ahead while leaving mid be, stay mid as I did, or just rice and get more g's?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
xarchaosx
Profile Joined February 2012
United States89 Posts
July 31 2012 05:56 GMT
#2525
malphite ult bugging out again. it was working fine before but in my last game it bugged 3 times causing me to do no damage and causing my team to lose. ugh so annoying. i thought riot had that fixed finally
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 31 2012 05:56 GMT
#2526
On July 31 2012 14:51 Mondeezy wrote:
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

by playing.

Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
July 31 2012 06:27 GMT
#2527
On July 31 2012 12:43 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 11:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 31 2012 10:49 jcc wrote:
On July 31 2012 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:24 jcc wrote:
What annoys me the most Is when junglers take too many of the kills. One time I had a jungle gank my lane (bot) like 4 times, but e got all the kills, where as when fights would happen te enemy AD got 3-4 kills. This allowed him a whole BF sword up on me and lead to me losing stability in lane and us struggling in mid game team fights. I wish some junglers had a better read on when to hand of kills and when to pick them up.

this doesn't add up to me. Enemy laner was 0-2 and you didn't hardzone him, then he goes 0-4 and you still aren't zoning him, then he gets 4 kills (1200 gold) and suddenly he's "a whole BF sword up". It sounds like you just got outplayed, badly. Actually it sounds exactly like one of those situations where you don't give a lane anything because they wouldn't know what to do with it.



Wait what? Typically early kills allows people to cut corners. With his surge of gold he can forgo maybe a doran and allow for BF.


that's not "a whole BF sword up"

Also, shouldn't you have gotten 4xassist money for that too? The enemy AD would only be at most a pickaxe up, and that's a stretch too


This is true, where I got the assist money. I even got to like 7 assists, but its still the fact that he had more kills. Also, I didn't mention this cuz i forgot. Alot of the fights happened when we had a large wave coming MY WAY (of minions), so not only did i not get killing blows, but i missed like 15 cs per engagement at bot lane to assist the gank. I die, get an assist or two, but miss 15 cs and 2 potential kills, while the enemy ad just previously cleared the wave, got all that exp, and got the kill money / exp. So sometimes this puts me a level behind. Now I'm just referencing this from like 2-3 glaring games where this was an issue. More often than not my team is good about sharing kills, or doing good fights / engagements, or the difference is negligible due to how we set up the team fights or how my top or mid did. But still, at this high of elo, anything that can be improved on should be looked at. I saw Xspecial support today, and how he could set up kills for his carry was beautiful.

Also monte that game was one I had in mind, but not the one I was talking about. It was actually a game in ranked 5's today with navi's team.
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jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
July 31 2012 06:29 GMT
#2528
On July 31 2012 12:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 12:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 31 2012 12:03 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 31 2012 11:46 jcc wrote:
On July 31 2012 11:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 31 2012 11:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 31 2012 10:49 jcc wrote:
On July 31 2012 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:24 jcc wrote:
What annoys me the most Is when junglers take too many of the kills. One time I had a jungle gank my lane (bot) like 4 times, but e got all the kills, where as when fights would happen te enemy AD got 3-4 kills. This allowed him a whole BF sword up on me and lead to me losing stability in lane and us struggling in mid game team fights. I wish some junglers had a better read on when to hand of kills and when to pick them up.

this doesn't add up to me. Enemy laner was 0-2 and you didn't hardzone him, then he goes 0-4 and you still aren't zoning him, then he gets 4 kills (1200 gold) and suddenly he's "a whole BF sword up". It sounds like you just got outplayed, badly. Actually it sounds exactly like one of those situations where you don't give a lane anything because they wouldn't know what to do with it.



Wait what? Typically early kills allows people to cut corners. With his surge of gold he can forgo maybe a doran and allow for BF.


that's not "a whole BF sword up"

If he gives you 4 assists that's gold and experience for you too. Just try not to die to ganks. Ward often. And you really should be ahead of your lane opponent. Also BF sword is probably weaker than 3 doran's but more expensive. If you come to lane with 2 doran's and your opponent comes back with no items because they're saving up then it's on you to punish them. That's why I don't really cut corners and don't run straight for a BF sword.

Honestly I don't give kills to anyone. I'd rather a support get a kill then a kill get away. It's beneficial to the entire team.

I do understand the mentality of trying to give kills though and see people give me kills when I'm the AD carry.



It's hard to give the specifics of the game. So in this case, just scrap the specifics. 2 kills, 4 kills, 20 kills, who cares. The thing is, enemy AD gets killing blows, yours doesnt. This will create a disparity that will bite you in the butt later on, unless your gold is being fed into a high dps jungler, or to hit an AP mid's timing with certain items.

All the kills i described would not have gotten away. They were taken accidentally by jungle or the support, which is i why specify to pay more attention.

And whats with the warding advice? Lol, no worries sir, I do in fact know how to play. It's just the situation of gold flowing into the wrong roles happens too often. I would not care to get kills if it wouldn't give me huge lane advantage OR if the enemy AD is getting all the kills, in which case it becomes more imperative for me to get killing blows or into an AP that can insta snipe their AD.

Sorry, you're a new poster on lol forums. I have no idea what level you are. I just have a hard time imagining anyone having a hard time in lane where they haven't died because they ward well but the enemy has 4 times. Maybe you just died in some bad 1v1 engages or they went around a ward :/


He's 2100 AD carry for TL B ~_~

Ah :D *shy chuckle*


Lol no problem, I didn't wanna be like "WELL MR. COMMON POSTER, I'M 2100 FOR TL B HUUURRDDURR, HOW U NOT KNOW THAT?". But was hoping you'd seen my guide XD. Anywho, as AD we don't get much to complain about in games, so I just thought i'd nitpick this issue.
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jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
July 31 2012 06:33 GMT
#2529
On July 31 2012 14:51 Mondeezy wrote:
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

Edit: The question sounds kind of dumb and simple, but let me be more specific.

Jungling Shyv, put our top way ahead, camped mid a bit, our bot was doing fine. It came to the point where mid kept feeding and I had to sit there instead of farming or counterjungling (played Shyv, they had a J4 jungle). Eventually they just group pushed and we were so far behind that they crushed us with a Trist ghost and I couldn't tank anything. What would have been the proper play, put bot and top more ahead while leaving mid be, stay mid as I did, or just rice and get more g's?



Sadly, you just have to play more. Experience is the best way. Just dive into solo Q with the intent of learning or practicing. If it helps, think of Solo Q more as a bunch of people try-harding (so they get elo), rather than a place to get your own elo. This way, you get practice against decent people (ideally) at your level, so you can range how to improve yourself based on performance. The more games = the more situations you encounter = the better you will become through developing evolving builds and better mechanics or jungle paths or w/e.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 31 2012 06:42 GMT
#2530
On July 31 2012 14:51 Mondeezy wrote:
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

Edit: The question sounds kind of dumb and simple, but let me be more specific.

Jungling Shyv, put our top way ahead, camped mid a bit, our bot was doing fine. It came to the point where mid kept feeding and I had to sit there instead of farming or counterjungling (played Shyv, they had a J4 jungle). Eventually they just group pushed and we were so far behind that they crushed us with a Trist ghost and I couldn't tank anything. What would have been the proper play, put bot and top more ahead while leaving mid be, stay mid as I did, or just rice and get more g's?


Living and learning. Just constantly ask yourself "what happens if I go here, how can it go wrong."

:D
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 31 2012 06:45 GMT
#2531
On July 31 2012 15:33 jcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 14:51 Mondeezy wrote:
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

Edit: The question sounds kind of dumb and simple, but let me be more specific.

Jungling Shyv, put our top way ahead, camped mid a bit, our bot was doing fine. It came to the point where mid kept feeding and I had to sit there instead of farming or counterjungling (played Shyv, they had a J4 jungle). Eventually they just group pushed and we were so far behind that they crushed us with a Trist ghost and I couldn't tank anything. What would have been the proper play, put bot and top more ahead while leaving mid be, stay mid as I did, or just rice and get more g's?



Sadly, you just have to play more. Experience is the best way. Just dive into solo Q with the intent of learning or practicing. If it helps, think of Solo Q more as a bunch of people try-harding (so they get elo), rather than a place to get your own elo. This way, you get practice against decent people (ideally) at your level, so you can range how to improve yourself based on performance. The more games = the more situations you encounter = the better you will become through developing evolving builds and better mechanics or jungle paths or w/e.


I like you, you give good advice.

Post moar.

^_^
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
July 31 2012 07:26 GMT
#2532
What the fuck is up with the triple posts.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 31 2012 07:29 GMT
#2533
On July 31 2012 13:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
this is why i dont jungle ;_;

i'm never gonna live that vid down D:


Fb forever and always. Csheep's way of life.

It feels so weird seeing kass top in that video. And ad corki mid on top of it. The good ol' times man, when junglers didn't 100% camp top lane.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
July 31 2012 07:30 GMT
#2534
Sorry, because I post at odd times I try to answer all my replies at once, I'll try to keep em to 1 post, too used to instant message style replies.
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1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
July 31 2012 08:43 GMT
#2535
On July 31 2012 16:30 jcc wrote:
Sorry, because I post at odd times I try to answer all my replies at once, I'll try to keep em to 1 post, too used to instant message style replies.

I don't mind it. I'd rather see a double or triple post worth of quality posts than have a good poster shy away at posting just because of forum etiquette.

I'm no mod though lol.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 09:39:44
July 31 2012 09:36 GMT
#2536
Lol what, I just landed in a game with Morello.
And the other team has more skins. GG.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 31 2012 09:57 GMT
#2537
On July 31 2012 15:42 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 14:51 Mondeezy wrote:
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

Edit: The question sounds kind of dumb and simple, but let me be more specific.

Jungling Shyv, put our top way ahead, camped mid a bit, our bot was doing fine. It came to the point where mid kept feeding and I had to sit there instead of farming or counterjungling (played Shyv, they had a J4 jungle). Eventually they just group pushed and we were so far behind that they crushed us with a Trist ghost and I couldn't tank anything. What would have been the proper play, put bot and top more ahead while leaving mid be, stay mid as I did, or just rice and get more g's?


Living and learning. Just constantly ask yourself "what happens if I go here, how can it go wrong."

:D

It's hard when you play Singed. Can never go wrong in any way. Just go.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
July 31 2012 10:00 GMT
#2538
On July 31 2012 18:36 Nikon wrote:
Lol what, I just landed in a game with Morello.
And the other team has more skins. GG.


Pick something that people whine about being OP. Feed as fuck. Yell in /all "SEE THIS SHIT AINT OP, NEEDS BUFFS!". Or do the exact opposite. Pick something considered weak, rape face, yell "OMG THIS CHAMP OP NURF PLX".
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 10:47:21
July 31 2012 10:46 GMT
#2539
On July 31 2012 18:57 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 15:42 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On July 31 2012 14:51 Mondeezy wrote:
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

Edit: The question sounds kind of dumb and simple, but let me be more specific.

Jungling Shyv, put our top way ahead, camped mid a bit, our bot was doing fine. It came to the point where mid kept feeding and I had to sit there instead of farming or counterjungling (played Shyv, they had a J4 jungle). Eventually they just group pushed and we were so far behind that they crushed us with a Trist ghost and I couldn't tank anything. What would have been the proper play, put bot and top more ahead while leaving mid be, stay mid as I did, or just rice and get more g's?


Living and learning. Just constantly ask yourself "what happens if I go here, how can it go wrong."

:D

It's hard when you play Singed. Can never go wrong in any way. Just go.


Yeah, but a lot of people don't know that. Just yesterday I was pretty fed with Singed, full inventory + elixirs etc. and I'm towerdiving 4 people, no big deal, right? Some guy starts spamming retreat pings on me like it's going out of style. What's up with that? People don't know about Singed, that's what's up.

On July 31 2012 19:00 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 18:36 Nikon wrote:
Lol what, I just landed in a game with Morello.
And the other team has more skins. GG.


Pick something that people whine about being OP. Feed as fuck. Yell in /all "SEE THIS SHIT AINT OP, NEEDS BUFFS!". Or do the exact opposite. Pick something considered weak, rape face, yell "OMG THIS CHAMP OP NURF PLX".


I played Xin as a jungler. Worked out quite alright, co-carried hard with the AD carry ^_~

P.S. Just noticed the Barrier spell. How long has that been there?
Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
July 31 2012 10:46 GMT
#2540
On July 31 2012 14:51 Mondeezy wrote:
How do you improve decision making? By watching streams and just playing or...?

Feel like it's killed me the past couple games (didn't feed, but didn't get far enough ahead to carry my team).

Edit: The question sounds kind of dumb and simple, but let me be more specific.

Jungling Shyv, put our top way ahead, camped mid a bit, our bot was doing fine. It came to the point where mid kept feeding and I had to sit there instead of farming or counterjungling (played Shyv, they had a J4 jungle). Eventually they just group pushed and we were so far behind that they crushed us with a Trist ghost and I couldn't tank anything. What would have been the proper play, put bot and top more ahead while leaving mid be, stay mid as I did, or just rice and get more g's?


If mid is not salvageable I'd maybe help ward it to prevent more feeding, then focus on my own farm and the other lanes. Camping that lane from behind is risky as hell (depending on how well it is warded), because if you´re not careful you might get counterganked and doublekilled since you+your mid are weaker than enemy jungler+enemy mid. So, try and make sure you get strong and your other lanes get strong, then focus the fed mid in fights quick as hell. The job of your mid in that scenario is basically get as much farm as possible while not dying.
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