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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 12 2012 19:31 GMT
#1481
I don't think twitch needed a remake, maybe if they made it so it was easier to do jungle he'd be a bit more viable, but as far as I'm concerned, current jangle twitch is pretty op'd.

also, with the short range invis reveal, with this apply to teemo/shaco/vayne/etc?, or just twitch/eve?
liftlift > tsm
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 19:35:32
July 12 2012 19:34 GMT
#1482
On July 13 2012 01:24 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 01:16 Seuss wrote:
Sejuani's W does 130 damage to its principal target due to its health scaling and interaction with her passive. Ultimately the difference between Sejuani's W and Shyvana's W at rank 1 isn't very large against a single target, Shyvana's W has a longer cooldown which brings the two closer into parity.

The cooldown issue is irrelevant because the issue is AoE clearing camps. Shyvana's W clears the camp in the first cast, so while it has a longer cooldown, you don't care because it will be up for the next camp and you don't need it on the current camp.

By contrast, Sejuani's W leaves Wraiths with a chunk of HP left on each, meaning you either have to wait for W to cool down again, or you auto-attack each one individually--either way you're set back 3-5 seconds every time.


I brought that up because his primary complaint appeared to be Blue, where you're guaranteed to have multiple casts. You're correct that on small camps one cast is generally all you get and in those cases cooldown is irrelevant.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 12 2012 19:36 GMT
#1483
i think it just applies to twitch and eve, since they are long-term and are particularly abusive of invis mechanics. The others are very tactical in nature, and you typically don't spend half the game being invisible with them, so it's not as big of a problem. Teemo in particular, I hope they never change, as his invis system is probably my favorite of all of the invis abilities.

btw, does any1 else read those things in morello's voice?

Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 19:38:57
July 12 2012 19:37 GMT
#1484
Twitch changes are so sick. Twitch was one of my top champs in Season 1 before getting nerfed to oblivion. Now only if they bring back the aspd to his ult
LoL: Soles | forever 1600
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 12 2012 19:47 GMT
#1485
On July 13 2012 04:36 barbsq wrote:
i think it just applies to twitch and eve, since they are long-term and are particularly abusive of invis mechanics. The others are very tactical in nature, and you typically don't spend half the game being invisible with them, so it's not as big of a problem. Teemo in particular, I hope they never change, as his invis system is probably my favorite of all of the invis abilities.

btw, does any1 else read those things in morello's voice?


Actually I read it as if Twitch got a short duration stealth with the old mechanics, just like Wukong, Shaco etc. Only Eve gets that new stealth mechanic.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 12 2012 19:51 GMT
#1486
On July 13 2012 03:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Uh oh...steam sale started. Heard nothing but good things about Deus Ex, might grab that... Someone PM me and tell me what the jist of it is *offtopic*

The new one, Human Revolution, (and maybe Invisible War, still haven't played it) is a FPSRPG. You're a cyborg type dude who can upgrade himself, trying to find out who kidnapped your girlfriend. That sounds dumb, but the actual plot is a lot better. A lot of questions into trans-humanism, ethical boundaries, and big business profiteering. Plus, a lot of really good characterization and interaction.

Gameplay is fun, you can often choose non-lethal alternatives or straight engagements, sneaking or fighting, or talking your way through. Recommended.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 12 2012 19:54 GMT
#1487
Oh thank god they're fixing Xerath.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=26846919#post26846919

Really hoping that .5s 'FallTime' isn't enough for people to move out of it constantly even after the change though....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
July 12 2012 20:05 GMT
#1488
On July 13 2012 04:51 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Uh oh...steam sale started. Heard nothing but good things about Deus Ex, might grab that... Someone PM me and tell me what the jist of it is *offtopic*

The new one, Human Revolution, (and maybe Invisible War, still haven't played it) is a FPSRPG. You're a cyborg type dude who can upgrade himself, trying to find out who kidnapped your girlfriend. That sounds dumb, but the actual plot is a lot better. A lot of questions into trans-humanism, ethical boundaries, and big business profiteering. Plus, a lot of really good characterization and interaction.

Gameplay is fun, you can often choose non-lethal alternatives or straight engagements, sneaking or fighting, or talking your way through. Recommended.

Human Revolution is one of the best games I've ever played.

I really enjoyed it so much.

I highly recommend it to others.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 12 2012 20:05 GMT
#1489
I find those numbers really hard to swallow, his ult on live is completely useless, and they are claiming it's not even half a second. Also not addressed is time between casts of the ult, isn't that still nerfed or am I missing something? Not a Xerath player but I could have sworn you could cast them in succession much faster before.
Carrilord has arrived.
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
July 12 2012 20:10 GMT
#1490
Btw glacial malphite >>> pulsfire ezreal

Had to be stated.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
July 12 2012 20:11 GMT
#1491
Btw X >>> Y
Had to be stated.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 12 2012 20:11 GMT
#1492
On July 13 2012 05:11 Slayer91 wrote:
Btw X >>> Y
Had to be stated.

I beg to differ. No further explanation or evidence provided.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
July 12 2012 20:13 GMT
#1493
Dam after 50 pages of people jizzing because of pf ez I figure malphy deserves a little.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 12 2012 20:15 GMT
#1494
On July 13 2012 05:11 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:11 Slayer91 wrote:
Btw X >>> Y
Had to be stated.

I beg to differ. No further explanation or evidence provided.


X >>> Y by virtue of the alphabetical hierarchy. Being an earlier member of the alphabet, it has a higher position and therefore greater authority in comparison to Y and Z.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
July 12 2012 20:16 GMT
#1495
See this conversation already has more substance than that cloth5 debate or whatever that was.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 12 2012 20:23 GMT
#1496
On July 13 2012 05:15 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:11 mordek wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:11 Slayer91 wrote:
Btw X >>> Y
Had to be stated.

I beg to differ. No further explanation or evidence provided.


X >>> Y by virtue of the alphabetical hierarchy. Being an earlier member of the alphabet, it has a higher position and therefore greater authority in comparison to Y and Z.

Really depends on your perspective.

But yes, Glacial Malphite looks awesome
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 12 2012 20:27 GMT
#1497
I like walking up to opposing jangle and noming his creeps.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
July 12 2012 20:28 GMT
#1498
Only Eve gets the new stealth mechanic - its unique to her in the same way teemos stealth is.

I like the new Twitch tho. He gets his old ult (with less damage but more utility) and a much needed mobility skill in his reworked stealth.
Esponge scaling with AD is icing on the cake, although they dumbed it down a little with the non-consumed stacks.

Most of all I like how he is basically the same champ with slightly tweaked abilities that makes balance easier.


Now lets get reworks of other champs with dated mechanics or models.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 12 2012 20:56 GMT
#1499
On July 13 2012 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh thank god they're fixing Xerath.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=26846919#post26846919

Really hoping that .5s 'FallTime' isn't enough for people to move out of it constantly even after the change though....


- We will not be reverting the Xerath buffs from last patch


Mid lane will be all lightning, all the time.

Kidding aside, the jist of it is, it will be harder to dodge than it is now, but easier than it was before the change. Will be nice to see more Xerath.

This whole next patch seems crazy for a lot of champs. New thorny bitch, Xerath will be happy, stealth rework, possible Xin rework. Funfunfun.
It's your boy Guzma!
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
July 12 2012 21:23 GMT
#1500
On July 13 2012 05:27 Mogwai wrote:
I like walking up to opposing jangle and noming his creeps.

They need to make consume work on Yordles.
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