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On July 07 2012 11:37 1ntrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:28 Sermokala wrote:On July 07 2012 10:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
So how much of a buff does nunu need in his jungling before he'd be viable as a dedicated counter jungler/tri lane style on coordinated teams? Seems he'd be the closest LoL has to that kind of fast push down of tower. Though it'd need good warding on your team.
I know people say stop trying to implement dota strategies into Lol. but Nunu seems to be far and away the best camp stealer now, and he's a decent support as well, so his character role seems to be pushing closer to that kind of play? getting the fast first turret would pretty much enable the entire jungle to be stolen as long as nunu is on purple. while blue would try for enemy blue control. both methods would lead to great amounts of dragon control too.
Is it viable yet? would it need a special type of team? does nunu need more buffs still for that to work?
Best camp stealer? Udyr and mundo decide they didn't want to exist anymore? Counter jangling has no relation to tower control at the very least it would be a ton worse to counter jungle if their lane is pushed near said jungle camps. taking a tower that quickly is the worst thing you can possibly do to a lane screwing over your teammate hardcore. They won't be able to farm in that lane at all for fear of being ganked easy and pushing the lane and letting it go far away into the enemy teams favor. Wards don't change your position on the map. You can't keep ignoring how fundementaly differ the games are to each other. HSGG said in an interview recently that lol was a lot like basketball and I think dota is a lot like soccer. I like that example. Also who do you think would win with TPA vs Abuzu blaze? A friend of mine says that abuzu would win but I still think that TPA is the best in asia right now. I think WE was baiting Blaze that game since they have little research on them and that they would win in a rematch. On the other hand, Blaze seemed to have learned from TPA's 2-1 over WE in the way they approached the match, so it's quite difficult to predict. WE higher potential than TPA and Blaze, but changes need to be made (like CLG). Blaze > TPA though imo. Their lanes seem stronger. Edit: On the Nunu buff, I think it will make him too strong in top lane, while making him a viable jungler. He's going to be so annoying in top lane with infinite sustain, speed boost and free snowballs, not to mention random jungle steals 
nunu is going to be a massive pain in the ass top lane. He was already a decent, if uncommon, pick in top, and was already a pain to deal with for a lot of ppl..
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singed new animations are pretty damn sick.
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On July 07 2012 11:49 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
What would it take to make nunu actually counter jungle viable? You'd have to have a reason to actually level q over a scaling movement speed and attack speed buff, and a scaling 65% slow. It's been said before but nunu's q doesn't actually do anything as far as a game in concerned. You level it last because you can't put more points into your useful spells. I even find nunu's way of stealing camps much better than udyr, because it increases the cs disparity but leaves the enemy way weaker than they would think by just looking at numbers on the tab screen. Just look at how many buffs they can give nunu because he doesn't actually have skills that actively do anything. Passive, Q, W, R effectively do nothing.
Nunu is already really fucking good at what he does. I love crushing people with nunu, because the other team often bickers in all chat because they don't realize what's happening. The fact that people play him as support is even more useful because they it's difficult to be counter picked.
edit: but seriously don't play nunu he sucks, keep your elo where it's at.
So if nunu's slow was the same at all levels and only damage increased would he become further a counter jungler? because you could max blood boil + consume?
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On July 07 2012 12:02 wussleeQ wrote:
singed new animations are pretty damn sick.
Which would those be?
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On July 07 2012 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 12:02 wussleeQ wrote:
singed new animations are pretty damn sick. Which would those be?
I think the ones on Augmented Singed
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poison trail looks better and the slow comes out as an explosion now. although, the green poison trail is a little hard to see now.
basically, his effects don't look like crap lol
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I don't know if it matters at all, but I think Cait's buffs make her much nicer to play, especially that Q delay decrease.
And I really like the item changes, especially Athene's and Ionic Spark.
Dragon and Baron kills will now have a chat message and kill callout if your team gets the kill or sees them die.
I guess no more need to time baron/dragon for the most part.
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On July 07 2012 11:49 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
What would it take to make nunu actually counter jungle viable? You'd have to have a reason to actually level q over a scaling movement speed and attack speed buff, and a scaling 65% slow. It's been said before but nunu's q doesn't actually do anything as far as a game in concerned. You level it last because you can't put more points into your useful spells. I even find nunu's way of stealing camps much better than udyr, because it increases the cs disparity but leaves the enemy way weaker than they would think by just looking at numbers on the tab screen. Just look at how many buffs they can give nunu because he doesn't actually have skills that actively do anything. Passive, Q, W, R effectively do nothing.
Nunu is already really fucking good at what he does. I love crushing people with nunu, because the other team often bickers in all chat because they don't realize what's happening. The fact that people play him as support is even more useful because they it's difficult to be counter picked.
edit: but seriously don't play nunu he sucks, keep your elo where it's at.
Wtf dude, where were you like two weeks ago when I was all "dude jungle nunu is awesome why no one play him?" because i had been hard carrying with him like a boss.
The response for the most part was "He just sucks. At everything."
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On July 07 2012 12:19 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:49 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
What would it take to make nunu actually counter jungle viable? You'd have to have a reason to actually level q over a scaling movement speed and attack speed buff, and a scaling 65% slow. It's been said before but nunu's q doesn't actually do anything as far as a game in concerned. You level it last because you can't put more points into your useful spells. I even find nunu's way of stealing camps much better than udyr, because it increases the cs disparity but leaves the enemy way weaker than they would think by just looking at numbers on the tab screen. Just look at how many buffs they can give nunu because he doesn't actually have skills that actively do anything. Passive, Q, W, R effectively do nothing.
Nunu is already really fucking good at what he does. I love crushing people with nunu, because the other team often bickers in all chat because they don't realize what's happening. The fact that people play him as support is even more useful because they it's difficult to be counter picked.
edit: but seriously don't play nunu he sucks, keep your elo where it's at. Wtf dude, where were you like two weeks ago when I was all "dude jungle nunu is awesome why no one play him?" because i had been hard carrying with him like a boss. The response for the most part was "He just sucks. At everything."
i'm not sure if this is a serious post because i'm not sure if you're a serious poster
but you can look back 6 or more months and see snk-arcbound saying how he gained 300 elo playing exclusively nunu
if there is a nunu expert on TL, it's snk. and he's been playing him more than 2 weeks
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Fiddle FoTM again. Along with Malphite and Amumu, I think we're going to see an AoE meta very soon.
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It's a serious post because he's lamenting Snk's lack of posting back when a bunch of other posters were apparently bashing jungle Nunu. He's not questioning Snk's credentials, he's grateful to see another jungle Nunu player.
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oh ok
well that makes sense
anyway snk turned me onto nunu a couple months ago and all i can say is welcome to the promised land, my children
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That Gragas buff. I'm so psyched. And with extra armor? AP Gragas jungle; back in action.
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On July 07 2012 12:31 HazMat wrote:
Fiddle FoTM again. Along with Malphite and Amumu, I think we're going to see an AoE meta very soon.
As soon as people realize Rumble is OP, actually. Malphite support, Amumu jungle, Fiddle mid, Rumble top going to be the new meta. For AD someone like Graves or Ezreal or even MF in certain situations.
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I want to Nunu! I grow tired of the Bottom support role. While it's fun and I've literally laughed myself to tears for several minutes because of Nunu I never really got a chance to jungle him. Perchance the Nunuthread(we have one of those right..?) would have information for me to digest and learn from the venerable veterans of the ever Versatile Nunu?
(This is more of a hint to perhaps update it/give your current thoughts)
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I thought most people who run Nunu jungle usually build bruiser Nunu now. Since if you build him supporty it's pretty dumb unless you have a team comp that is centered around having two support-y champs later on. If you build him AP he's really ult reliant.
But I don't see Nunu jungle that much anymore so I dunno for sure. I remember seeing saint run bruiser Nunu several months ago and it looked pretty legit. W is a good buff and his ice blast almost ensures people never get away from you.
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On July 07 2012 12:31 HazMat wrote:
Fiddle FoTM again. Along with Malphite and Amumu, I think we're going to see an AoE meta very soon.
Game never left the AoE meta.
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On July 07 2012 12:44 overt wrote:
I thought most people who run Nunu jungle usually build bruiser Nunu now. Since if you build him supporty it's pretty dumb unless you have a team comp that is centered around having two support-y champs later on. If you build him AP he's really ult reliant.
But I don't see Nunu jungle that much anymore so I dunno for sure. I remember seeing saint run bruiser Nunu several months ago and it looked pretty legit. W is a good buff and his ice blast almost ensures people never get away from you.
Situation that could call for two supporty champions. Hmm.
So how does something like Janna / Kog with Nunu jungling sound?
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not sure if this will ever catch on, but here goes
hybrid pen ap mid, with 3 ad and 6 armor pen mastery
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