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On July 08 2012 18:56 Bwaaaa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 18:47 Shikyo wrote:On July 08 2012 18:43 Bwaaaa wrote:On July 08 2012 18:11 Shikyo wrote:On July 08 2012 17:56 Sufficiency wrote:
I know this is probably discussed many time already, but do you think he is OP? I find his Q with 2k+ range absolutely absurd. Jayce? Underpowered I'd say, if anything. Maybe needs time to get figured out. Yeah the Q range is long but on the other hand it's super easy to dodge. It's just slightly better than Corki missile, costs over 100 mana, and has a long cooldown (10 seconds because you need E to cast it too) Also, using EQ is nearly impossible shortranged. I don't think he gets enough from stance switching(the bonuses from R), honestly. Leveling his ult seems like a waste especially if you plan on staying ranged the whole time. I just don't think he can 1v1 anyone who actually has an ulti and that's a huge problem, also in teamfights his ranged Q cooldown is so long he just gets one off and although he can spam W it's incredibly low ranged. As a bruiser he probably is better but I just ask myself, why not play Jax instead? Again he probably takes a while to get used to, however after the instaban-phase yesterday when people didn't know him, I haven't seen him picked or banned in ranked even once. Oh yeah and the Q range isn't 2k+, it's probably around 1200. It's incredibly easy to see coming, though, and the radius is pretty small (Though luckily larger than normal Q). Q itself feels rather worthless if not used with E. Which is quite funny as it's significantly better than Graves's vs 1 target. I guess it's a combination of tiny radius + hard to land + no bonus dmg up close. Then again if he can spam everything in the middle of a fight and actually stay alive he CAN become crazy, I really need to think hard about which build would be optimal for him. Really low base stats, though.. Why are you completly ignoring his hammer stance? His ult is a new set of qwe cooldowns. Then that's a pretty terrible ult. It doesn't even give him a huge mobility boost like Nidalee's and deals less damage. The knockback is good though, yes, but you shouldn't stay in melee form for too long. His ult gives him armor and mr reduction, sheen proc, free armor, new set of cool down which do a lot of damage and a ms bonus. What are you talking about?
Have you played Jayce?
As it seems like you're just listing things that are stated in the skill description without understanding what it means in practice.
I should be a bit more clear, right?
Hammer form has NO ranged attack. No pantheon spear, no yorick ghouls, no rumble E, nothing. Saying it's a free armor/mres bonus when you actually trade your range for it is silly. Also, the bonus armor and mres are actually just to make up for his terrible base stats. Which bruiser has a base of 30 mres? Sheen proc doesn't matter because you will be using skills anyway, and the magic dmg on hit is almost laughable. Oh yeah, and movespeed bonus is his passive, not ult. MF's is far better for instance if you want to compare passives.
The armor /mres shred is fine but I'd rather not have it at all because its animation is so fucked up and slow, it takes like 2 seconds to fire.
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Lol, just watching Froggen's stream, he has like 50k+ Rp and 150K+ IP. Envious  But that guy is just great
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One thing i hate about Jayce is the fact that he has fake passive. The exact same thing could be done about every other champion, for example Janna's ulti could just knock enemies back and her passive would be "everytime janna uses her ulti she can additionally channel it for 4 seconds in order to heal allies around her" or something like that -.-"
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On July 08 2012 19:16 Argoth. wrote:Lol, just watching Froggen's stream, he has like 50k+ Rp and 150K+ IP. Envious But that guy is just great
I thought I read somewhere that you get RP or something when you're ranked high on the ladder and win?
not for certain tho
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On July 08 2012 19:28 Kaniol wrote:
One thing i hate about Jayce is the fact that he has fake passive. The exact same thing could be done about every other champion, for example Janna's ulti could just knock enemies back and her passive would be "everytime janna uses her ulti she can additionally channel it for 4 seconds in order to heal allies around her" or something like that -.-"
Yeah, let's give his 6sec cd ult the passive instead and then give him a normal passive to make him even stronger. To point out his "fake" passive, let's compare it to janna ult whose cd is 20times as long.
Giving him a "proper" passive would've made him too strong, or it would have to be a useless passive.
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On July 08 2012 19:37 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:16 Argoth. wrote:Lol, just watching Froggen's stream, he has like 50k+ Rp and 150K+ IP. Envious But that guy is just great I thought I read somewhere that you get RP or something when you're ranked high on the ladder and win? not for certain tho
I doubt that. I've been in front page and certanily no free RP. That's probably his korean account? I'm sure someone set up his account with plenty of RP.
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On July 08 2012 19:40 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:28 Kaniol wrote:
One thing i hate about Jayce is the fact that he has fake passive. The exact same thing could be done about every other champion, for example Janna's ulti could just knock enemies back and her passive would be "everytime janna uses her ulti she can additionally channel it for 4 seconds in order to heal allies around her" or something like that -.-" Yeah, let's give his 6sec cd ult the passive instead and then give him a normal passive to make him even stronger. To point out his "fake" passive, let's compare it to janna ult whose cd is 20times as long. Giving him a "proper" passive would've made him too strong, or it would have to be a useless passive.
No need to use sarcasm. You seem to arguing about how balanced his ulti/passive are but i wasn't talking about balance.
I'm just saying that they could simply NOT give him any passive at all instead of giving him fake passive (since it doesn't exist anyway).
On July 08 2012 19:55 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:37 arb wrote:On July 08 2012 19:16 Argoth. wrote:Lol, just watching Froggen's stream, he has like 50k+ Rp and 150K+ IP. Envious But that guy is just great I thought I read somewhere that you get RP or something when you're ranked high on the ladder and win? not for certain tho I doubt that. I've been in front page and certanily no free RP. That's probably his korean account? I'm sure someone set up his account with plenty of RP.
I think it was explained somewhere in our GD threads but i don't remember why all the CLG players have a lot of RP and IP on their korean accounts.
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On July 08 2012 19:16 Argoth. wrote:Lol, just watching Froggen's stream, he has like 50k+ Rp and 150K+ IP. Envious But that guy is just great
they probably got them from riot_korea admins, no reason to play from lv1 and get all runes and champs for 3 month only
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On July 08 2012 19:40 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:28 Kaniol wrote:
One thing i hate about Jayce is the fact that he has fake passive. The exact same thing could be done about every other champion, for example Janna's ulti could just knock enemies back and her passive would be "everytime janna uses her ulti she can additionally channel it for 4 seconds in order to heal allies around her" or something like that -.-" Yeah, let's give his 6sec cd ult the passive instead and then give him a normal passive to make him even stronger. To point out his "fake" passive, let's compare it to janna ult whose cd is 20times as long. Giving him a "proper" passive would've made him too strong, or it would have to be a useless passive.
It's not all that useful, his ult is rather weak anyway. Nidalee's passive is more situational but it at least gives a significant ms bonus. 60 units of movement (Assuming you don't hit softcap) every 6 seconds (But cannot be used in fights unless you want to melee for that time) is just really really meh. I guess the unitwalking is fine.
How do you know that'd have made him too strong? I consider him quite underpowered at the moment.
On July 08 2012 20:01 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:40 JackDino wrote:On July 08 2012 19:28 Kaniol wrote:
One thing i hate about Jayce is the fact that he has fake passive. The exact same thing could be done about every other champion, for example Janna's ulti could just knock enemies back and her passive would be "everytime janna uses her ulti she can additionally channel it for 4 seconds in order to heal allies around her" or something like that -.-" Yeah, let's give his 6sec cd ult the passive instead and then give him a normal passive to make him even stronger. To point out his "fake" passive, let's compare it to janna ult whose cd is 20times as long. Giving him a "proper" passive would've made him too strong, or it would have to be a useless passive. No need to use sarcasm. You seem to arguing about how balanced his ulti/passive are but i wasn't talking about balance. I'm just saying that they could simply NOT give him any passive at all instead of giving him fake passive (since it doesn't exist anyway). Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:55 Slayer91 wrote:On July 08 2012 19:37 arb wrote:On July 08 2012 19:16 Argoth. wrote:Lol, just watching Froggen's stream, he has like 50k+ Rp and 150K+ IP. Envious But that guy is just great I thought I read somewhere that you get RP or something when you're ranked high on the ladder and win? not for certain tho I doubt that. I've been in front page and certanily no free RP. That's probably his korean account? I'm sure someone set up his account with plenty of RP. I think it was explained somewhere in our GD threads but i don't remember why all the CLG players have a lot of RP and IP on their korean accounts.
Not just CLG.
Riot gave them the accounts, they're lvl 30 and have all champions unlocked by default, with 200k IP and 100k RP iirc
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On July 08 2012 20:01 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:40 JackDino wrote:On July 08 2012 19:28 Kaniol wrote:
One thing i hate about Jayce is the fact that he has fake passive. The exact same thing could be done about every other champion, for example Janna's ulti could just knock enemies back and her passive would be "everytime janna uses her ulti she can additionally channel it for 4 seconds in order to heal allies around her" or something like that -.-" Yeah, let's give his 6sec cd ult the passive instead and then give him a normal passive to make him even stronger. To point out his "fake" passive, let's compare it to janna ult whose cd is 20times as long. Giving him a "proper" passive would've made him too strong, or it would have to be a useless passive. No need to use sarcasm. You seem to arguing about how balanced his ulti/passive are but i wasn't talking about balance. I'm just saying that they could simply NOT give him any passive at all instead of giving him fake passive (since it doesn't exist anyway). Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:55 Slayer91 wrote:On July 08 2012 19:37 arb wrote:On July 08 2012 19:16 Argoth. wrote:Lol, just watching Froggen's stream, he has like 50k+ Rp and 150K+ IP. Envious But that guy is just great I thought I read somewhere that you get RP or something when you're ranked high on the ladder and win? not for certain tho I doubt that. I've been in front page and certanily no free RP. That's probably his korean account? I'm sure someone set up his account with plenty of RP. I think it was explained somewhere in our GD threads but i don't remember why all the CLG players have a lot of RP and IP on their korean accounts.
well i know on their korean accounts they got every skin and every champion for free, and started at lvl 30 or something iirc
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Ok, this might sound stupid, by why does noone play ARAM on SR anymore? I find it largely more enjoyable then on Proving Grounds, but now there are really no games open anymore. Does really everyone find PG better?
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On July 08 2012 20:25 Simberto wrote:
Ok, this might sound stupid, by why does noone play ARAM on SR anymore? I find it largely more enjoyable then on Proving Grounds, but now there are really no games open anymore. Does really everyone find PG better?
People cheat by going elsewhere and doing buffs and killing towers etc.
Ruins the fun D:
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On July 08 2012 20:43 ChoBz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 20:25 Simberto wrote:
Ok, this might sound stupid, by why does noone play ARAM on SR anymore? I find it largely more enjoyable then on Proving Grounds, but now there are really no games open anymore. Does really everyone find PG better? People cheat by going elsewhere and doing buffs and killing towers etc. Ruins the fun D:
Basically this, only way to ruin PG is to like intentionally feed or afk or something
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I have very rarely seen people cheat in ARAM, and it just is a completely different game then PG. In Aram, you get long, prolongued poke matches with lots of people at low hp, where kills actually mean something. In PG, you got two sides running at each other and killing each other, and noone really cares about dying or anything, since you get most of your money/xp over time anyways, no matter what happens.
Sure, you basically can't cheat in PG, but it is just less fun in my opinion. It is basically dominion, and we already got dominion when people want to play dominion.
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If someone is interested a scrim between CLG na and CLG eu is going down right now.
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Everytime I've seen Jayce against Vayne it was painfully annoying. Well it was Jayce+Soraka so Vayne was incredibly squishy compared to him and had no poke, while he could spam Q (even if he was bad at it, once he pushed like mad it's harder to dodge under turret).
Granted, Vayne's range is fucking short so obviously we couldn't abuse him. And as I was playing Taric shatter wouldn't do shit to Astral blessing.
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so, I've been playing some SEA LoL, more out of curiosity than anything else, and I've been really enjoying Malphite.
What should I know, as a new player? How do I know which runes, masteries and spells are best for this or that champion?
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On July 08 2012 22:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:
so, I've been playing some SEA LoL, more out of curiosity than anything else, and I've been really enjoying Malphite.
What should I know, as a new player? How do I know which runes, masteries and spells are best for this or that champion?
Look up featured guides on Solomid, or ask in the Character specific thread on teamliquid!
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On July 08 2012 21:56 Alaric wrote:
Everytime I've seen Jayce against Vayne it was painfully annoying. Well it was Jayce+Soraka so Vayne was incredibly squishy compared to him and had no poke, while he could spam Q (even if he was bad at it, once he pushed like mad it's harder to dodge under turret).
Granted, Vayne's range is fucking short so obviously we couldn't abuse him. And as I was playing Taric shatter wouldn't do shit to Astral blessing.
Jayce has a pretty good laning phase, however just kill minions and when teamfights come around any AD carry is better than him. His range just is too short and with no CC and no blink/jump he just is way too vulnerable.
Also Vayne loses to literally every single AD carry in laning so...
Graves for instance does extremely well.
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Vayne doesn't lose to literally every single AD carry, it depends on what support the enemy has and what you have, but people never seem to take the supports into account.
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