EPT[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 130
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 19 2012 04:31 HazMat wrote: I don't think that's mechanics more than he never actually leaves bot lane. His vayne micro is probably the best around though, can't deny that. hsgg mentioned in his mini-ama, that he think chauster+dl botlane is one of the best, and that a lot of korean teams are forced to cheese the shit out of botlane to even remotely get a chance to deal with DL in lategame. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On July 19 2012 04:05 VirgilSC2 wrote: No, I only play Draft Normals. I can't stand how dumb Blind Pick is. Lol, I meant to say draft. I read blind, went back and edited my post but left it as blind somehow. I did mean draft. If you do well in Draft normals and feel confident in your lanes/matchups/whatever then you can do fine in ranked. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On July 19 2012 04:53 wei2coolman wrote: hsgg mentioned in his mini-ama, that he think chauster+dl botlane is one of the best, and that a lot of korean teams are forced to cheese the shit out of botlane to even remotely get a chance to deal with DL in lategame. only cuz chauster is a beast | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:44 JackDino wrote: So locust kicked/left dig. So apparently pendragon banned someone for 3days because he wanted to random a champion:http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=490333&d=1342634409 http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/news/League-of-Legends/1836/Team-Dignitas-parts-ways-with-L0CUST/ Yep looks like they let him go. that's weird though I never noticed anything wrong with L0CUST in particular.. in fact I thought he was quite consistent. Maybe I just haven't been watching Dig enough | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On July 19 2012 04:27 DURRHURRDERP wrote: Does anyone else think it's kind of ridiculous that whenever the subject of ranged carry comes up (like in that dignitas/l0cust thread on reddit) people mention X or Y as the ad carry with "the best mechanics". I mean for one thing, it's not that difficult to have "good mechanics" in LoL (go bw elitism!) especially if you're playing AD carry as your main (thousands upon thousands of games of csing) and for another, a lot of the time csing in lane depends heavily on jungle/mid pressure. The best "AD carries" always have amazing supports. Expecial, Chauster, Krepo, GosuPepper are all amazing players. Also when it comes to runepages it depends on what champs you play, Ezreal, Ashe, Corki use the same page. Ryze, TF, Fizz use different ones. No to mention that the difference between having a TF page and a Karthus page on TF is not much difference. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:12 Eppa! wrote: The best "AD carries" always have amazing supports. Expecial, Chauster, Krepo, GosuPepper are all amazing players. As far as jungle/mid pressure is concerned on botlane, Cs is only affected if botlane is being camped 100% of the time, and even so, I've seen Chau/DL camped 4v2 on bot lane so hard, yet DL still ends up with equivalent if not more cs than enemy AD. | ||
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ManyCookies
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:28 ManyCookies wrote: Quick question, how do you make neutral monsters (Dragon, Baron, jungle creeps etc.) agro on non-controllable minions like Voidlings or Hiemer/Zyra's Turrets? I think if you put them in range and attack they'll target the minions first automatically i thought | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:38 arb wrote: I think if you put them in range and attack they'll target the minions first automatically i thought Not sure about malz voidlings but I know drag attacks the first thing that attacks it, even minions like mordeghost/heim turret, same with other jungel creeps. Baron always attacks the closest target. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:10 Perplex wrote: http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/news/League-of-Legends/1836/Team-Dignitas-parts-ways-with-L0CUST/ Yep looks like they let him go. that's weird though I never noticed anything wrong with L0CUST in particular.. in fact I thought he was quite consistent. Maybe I just haven't been watching Dig enough Well, I think the support skill ceiling is so low that it's easy to find someone who can play the role satisfactorily. In fact, I am willing to claim that any 1400 Elo player can be a professional support player after intensively training for 3 months. I believe the support player in a pro-team requires a lot of SOFT skills (i.e. people skills) that can support the team both in gameplay and psychologically. In fact, it's a lot harder to perform well as a support in soloQ compared to an organized team. For example if you are Soraka, using your ultimate timely is quite difficult in soloQ as you have to keep a closed eye on all your teammate. In organized teams you can just listen to your teammates to do it. On July 19 2012 05:39 MooMooMugi wrote: If anything I thought Qtpie would be kicked, not good guy L0CUST. I felt that his Draven in OGN was fantastic. L0cust just kept getting caught. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:39 MooMooMugi wrote: If anything I thought Qtpie would be kicked, not good guy L0CUST. Why would qt get kicked? | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:45 Sufficiency wrote: Well, I think the support skill ceiling is so low that it's easy to find someone who can play the role satisfactorily. In fact, I am willing to claim that any 1400 Elo player can be a professional support player after intensively training for 3 months. I believe the support player in a pro-team requires a lot of SOFT skills (i.e. people skills) that can support the team both in gameplay and psychologically. In fact, it's a lot harder to perform well as a support in soloQ compared to an organized team. For example if you are Soraka, using your ultimate timely is quite difficult in soloQ as you have to keep a closed eye on all your teammate. In organized teams you can just listen to your teammates to do it. I felt that his Draven in OGN was fantastic. L0cust just kept getting caught. I can't even articulate how wrong this is. Have you ever played with a support over 2k? It's like playing a different game. I don't know how to explain it but support does not by any means have a low skill cap or require "soft" skills exclusively. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:54 Perplex wrote: I can't even articulate how wrong this is. Have you ever played with a support over 2k? It's like playing a different game. I don't know how to explain it but support does not by any means have a low skill cap or require "soft" skills exclusively. But it's still much harder to land your Cass's Q while kiting your enemies with E in a chaotic teamfight than clicking Shurelia's and spam Q as Soraka. I am sure EVERYONE agrees with that. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:45 Sufficiency wrote: Well, I think the support skill ceiling is so low that it's easy to find someone who can play the role satisfactorily. In fact, I am willing to claim that any 1400 Elo player can be a professional support player after intensively training for 3 months. I believe the support player in a pro-team requires a lot of SOFT skills (i.e. people skills) that can support the team both in gameplay and psychologically. In fact, it's a lot harder to perform well as a support in soloQ compared to an organized team. For example if you are Soraka, using your ultimate timely is quite difficult in soloQ as you have to keep a closed eye on all your teammate. In organized teams you can just listen to your teammates to do it. In your dreams. You ALWAYS have to keep an eye on all 10 players as support in fights. Your allies can't call everything (and if they did, you'd not be able to understand a damn thing because 4 people would talk at once). In fact any non-support is focusing on certain stuff which hardly ever is their allies, if one of them calls for a Soraka ult that might still be a horrible call. Laning as a support requires loads of knowledge about 2v2 matches and jungle interactions. Much harder to learn that just 1v1 + jungle simply because there's a lot more different setups. If anything, support skill ceiling is higher than any other roles. On July 19 2012 05:57 Sufficiency wrote: But it's still much harder to land your Cass's Q while kiting your enemies with E in a chaotic teamfight than clicking Shurelia's and spam Q as Soraka. I am sure EVERYONE agrees with that. Nope. Cass only has to focus on the closest enemy and herself. The rest is pure mechanics with hardly any timing involved (spam Q on every cooldown, duh) and that's the easy part in LoL. Soraka has to properly time Reverie, Silence and Heals, on the right targets. Standing at the right spot to be able to cast your spells on the right targets without getting killed requires good positioning (I'd say that's mechanics). That kind of positioning is harder than the positioning of an AD (or casters like Cass) because it requires actual judgement calls. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:57 Sufficiency wrote: But it's still much harder to land your Cass's Q while kiting your enemies with E in a chaotic teamfight than clicking Shurelia's and spam Q as Soraka. I am sure EVERYONE agrees with that. I'm sure that everyone also agrees that playing janna in a teamfight is way way harder than playing ryze in a teamfight. What's your point? | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:57 Sufficiency wrote: But it's still much harder to land your Cass's Q while kiting your enemies with E in a chaotic teamfight than clicking Shurelia's and spam Q as Soraka. I am sure EVERYONE agrees with that. Yes absolutely, I was talking about laning bottom while also being perfectly "aware". The best supports always have an eye on the mini map while maintaining position in lane, being prepared to land abilities, remaining cognizant of ward timers, and judging opportunities to deny/harrass/counter harrass. Soraka is also one of the only supports you could make the team fight argument for too. | ||
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