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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 03:00:53
July 18 2012 03:00 GMT
#2441
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 03:11:21
July 18 2012 03:10 GMT
#2442
On July 17 2012 12:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 12:36 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 17 2012 11:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Is Lich Bane really okay on Brand outside of retardedly specific scenarios like this one?

Lichbane should only be taken on champs who build a lot of AP and also be tanky/mobile enough to actually use the proc. Lichbane effectively gives you an additional physical damage 1.0 AP ratio nuke.

To that end, the only champs that actually fit those requirements are AP assassins. Off the top of my head, the only champs I'd ever get it on, outside of retardedly specific scenarios like the one you mentioned, are Akali, Fizz, Sion, TF, and AP Nidalee.


I pretty much always go lichbane on Ziggs and Lux because of their range and part of their kit's damage being built into their autoattacks.

I also sometimes get it on galio because it's another ap item that gives mr so he scales even more off of it, he's tanky enough to get in some melee hits and he kind of needs an extra high damage proc, though that's situationally based on if we need more damage and if I don't need any armor or whatever. I do this less often now that Athene's is a full item but i'll still do it sometimes.

I don't play Ziggs so can't say much about him.

While I can kinda understand why you might get Lich on Lux, I think it's ultimately a bit of a waste. Lux's thing is that she can blow shit up from super long range. All her spells have effective ranges of 1k+. Why would you get an item that requires her to go into auto range when she performs most optimally from long range? Her passive+Lich makes sense for laning, but outside of laning it's kinda pointless. Not to mention that you're not going to be able to get Lich during the laning phase without gimping your damage later.


I'm a little late responding to this but I always figured Ziggs and Lux's potential damage as ap carries was a bit lacking and unreliable burstwise and lichbane adds a hell of a lot of consistent, sustained damage to their kits. Adding an extra 400-600 damage nuke + whatever you get from your passive is pretty great supplemental stuff, especially for when you bind dudes or a team fight's winding down and you're one of the last dudes let who have to clean up the kills (very, very common with both lux and ziggs considering the range they operate at).
Remember Violet.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
July 18 2012 03:50 GMT
#2443
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 18 2012 03:54 GMT
#2444
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

To be fair, no one uses him in tourneys not because he's weak, but because he's boring as fuck to play so no one practices him. Not only that, but a recent patch broke his R casting and almost doubled the amount of time it takes to cast and hit all 3 ult charges.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
July 18 2012 03:59 GMT
#2445
On July 18 2012 12:54 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

To be fair, no one uses him in tourneys not because he's weak, but because he's boring as fuck to play so no one practices him. Not only that, but a recent patch broke his R casting and almost doubled the amount of time it takes to cast and hit all 3 ult charges.


People bring up the boring factor all the time but honestly. You think if Xerath was actually an A-tier pick or even B-tier of ALL the pros, especially ones in Korea that work extremely hard and looks deep into what is viable or not, not one pro would pick him up? If he is anywhere near Ryze strength (who is also a very boring champ) he's be played atleast half as much as Ryze I'd say.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 18 2012 04:05 GMT
#2446
Ryze is boring? News to me...
It's your boy Guzma!
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
July 18 2012 04:13 GMT
#2447
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team.

Everyone finds him boring and few people play him.

Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell.

Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent"
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 18 2012 04:15 GMT
#2448
On July 18 2012 13:13 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team.

Everyone finds him boring and few people play him.

Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell.

Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent"

I don't know what you're talking about. People still play karthus a lot. Also Na server is down for me. Anyone else?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 18 2012 04:23 GMT
#2449
nope just you :D
GANDHISAUCE
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
July 18 2012 04:25 GMT
#2450
On July 18 2012 13:13 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team.

Everyone finds him boring and few people play him.

Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell.

Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent"

Except they aren't independent. For most of us, winning is a large part of the enjoyment we derive from this game. There are plenty of champions that are both popular and extremely boring to play, take Soraka for example. Too many people value elo and winning to ignore a 'boring' but powerful champion.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 18 2012 04:27 GMT
#2451
No one plays xerath because his damage is unreliable in the same way gragas doesn't get played competitively anymore. He's still viable and very strong, it's just you're hedging your teamfights on skillshots that can be flashed or that you can straight up miss. This isn't nearly as big an issue with Ryze who has no skillshots, or the likes of Anivia who has lots of sustained non skillshot damage, or cassio and karthus who have super spammable skillshots, or other champs whose primary use is dropping their ult in a teamfight (Galio, Morg, etc) before they go for their skillshots.

The champ is still pretty good, just not as reliable as a plethora of other champs that there aren't enough bans to cover.
Remember Violet.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 18 2012 04:29 GMT
#2452
I don't think half the people in this discussion have ever played xerath, or even karthus for that matter to know what it's like.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 18 2012 04:39 GMT
#2453
Everyone in my game right now has what feels like 300 ping. This is so weird lol.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
July 18 2012 04:40 GMT
#2454
On July 18 2012 13:25 GreenManalishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 13:13 Craton wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team.

Everyone finds him boring and few people play him.

Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell.

Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent"

Except they aren't independent. For most of us, winning is a large part of the enjoyment we derive from this game. There are plenty of champions that are both popular and extremely boring to play, take Soraka for example. Too many people value elo and winning to ignore a 'boring' but powerful champion.

And yet there are frequently champions that are very strong, but also very underplayed for extended periods of time.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
July 18 2012 04:43 GMT
#2455
On July 18 2012 13:25 GreenManalishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 13:13 Craton wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team.

Everyone finds him boring and few people play him.

Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell.

Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent"

Except they aren't independent. For most of us, winning is a large part of the enjoyment we derive from this game. There are plenty of champions that are both popular and extremely boring to play, take Soraka for example. Too many people value elo and winning to ignore a 'boring' but powerful champion.

Hey don't be like that, Soraka has her moments. Enemy rat boy lightning balling into your team for an ult? SILENCE MIDGET, IT'S TIME TO DIE!
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 18 2012 04:50 GMT
#2456
Another thing I want to bring up about Xerath is that even tho he has sick range, he needs to seige up before he can (ab)use his range. Even though the seiging time is relatively small, it's sufficiently long to make playing him rather annoying. Especially considering how everyone and their mother has gap closers + the large amount of poke, being forced to stay stationary can be pretty detrimental at times.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 18 2012 04:52 GMT
#2457
I just realized I've been playing olaf without the ghost mastery.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
July 18 2012 04:53 GMT
#2458
If you're denying your lane hardcore as a top but your team isn't doing great, what can you do to swing things more in your favor?

http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/614738/

This is a game I just played an I could deny riven all day with kayle, but our team was feeding, etc. I could have pushed and took a tower, but I was thinking the best way to make an advantage for my team was to deny riven and basically make it into 5v4.5. When I'm in this possition in the future, should I just take my tower and help elsewhere while I let top catch up in CS, or was what I did the correct decision?
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 18 2012 05:00 GMT
#2459
On July 18 2012 13:53 Arisen wrote:
If you're denying your lane hardcore as a top but your team isn't doing great, what can you do to swing things more in your favor?

http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/614738/

This is a game I just played an I could deny riven all day with kayle, but our team was feeding, etc. I could have pushed and took a tower, but I was thinking the best way to make an advantage for my team was to deny riven and basically make it into 5v4.5. When I'm in this possition in the future, should I just take my tower and help elsewhere while I let top catch up in CS, or was what I did the correct decision?

Roam. Your lane opponent would have a hard time figuring out when you're hiding, when you aren't there, when he should push and when he shouldn't be in lane. You take advantage of the fact that there is a ton of information he can't know and probably won't play optimally because of it. You can also just take the turret, then go to the other lanes and take those turrets, you will no have control of part of their jungle and you can start invading the jungle so your team can start catching back up.
BaconSoup
Profile Joined January 2012
New Zealand60 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 05:02:52
July 18 2012 05:01 GMT
#2460
On July 18 2012 12:54 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote:
The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage.


I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him.

To be fair, no one uses him in tourneys not because he's weak, but because he's boring as fuck to play so no one practices him. Not only that, but a recent patch broke his R casting and almost doubled the amount of time it takes to cast and hit all 3 ult charges.



They are fixing it :-D linky

I find him very fun to play, nothing quite like hitting a 3-pointer.

As to whether he is viable or not, I plan to play him more once the fix has been implemented and find out.
Win lane, Win game.
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