EPT[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 123
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 17 2012 12:52 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't play Ziggs so can't say much about him. While I can kinda understand why you might get Lich on Lux, I think it's ultimately a bit of a waste. Lux's thing is that she can blow shit up from super long range. All her spells have effective ranges of 1k+. Why would you get an item that requires her to go into auto range when she performs most optimally from long range? Her passive+Lich makes sense for laning, but outside of laning it's kinda pointless. Not to mention that you're not going to be able to get Lich during the laning phase without gimping your damage later. I'm a little late responding to this but I always figured Ziggs and Lux's potential damage as ap carries was a bit lacking and unreliable burstwise and lichbane adds a hell of a lot of consistent, sustained damage to their kits. Adding an extra 400-600 damage nuke + whatever you get from your passive is pretty great supplemental stuff, especially for when you bind dudes or a team fight's winding down and you're one of the last dudes let who have to clean up the kills (very, very common with both lux and ziggs considering the range they operate at). | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:00 Craton wrote: The last thing Xerath [and the game as a whole] needs is more 5000 range burst. When you can 100-0 someone at high range in one easily executed stun combo (e->ult probably the easiest combo in the entire game, mind you), you don't get to have more damage. I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote: I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him. To be fair, no one uses him in tourneys not because he's weak, but because he's boring as fuck to play so no one practices him. Not only that, but a recent patch broke his R casting and almost doubled the amount of time it takes to cast and hit all 3 ult charges. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:54 Ryuu314 wrote: To be fair, no one uses him in tourneys not because he's weak, but because he's boring as fuck to play so no one practices him. Not only that, but a recent patch broke his R casting and almost doubled the amount of time it takes to cast and hit all 3 ult charges. People bring up the boring factor all the time but honestly. You think if Xerath was actually an A-tier pick or even B-tier of ALL the pros, especially ones in Korea that work extremely hard and looks deep into what is viable or not, not one pro would pick him up? If he is anywhere near Ryze strength (who is also a very boring champ) he's be played atleast half as much as Ryze I'd say. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:50 Feartheguru wrote: I know right, he was already such a popular guy, near instaban status I'd say, carrying a lot of teams to tourny wins they didn't deserve. What could they have been thinking when they chose to buff him. I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team. Everyone finds him boring and few people play him. Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell. Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent" | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:13 Craton wrote: I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team. Everyone finds him boring and few people play him. Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell. Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent" I don't know what you're talking about. People still play karthus a lot. Also Na server is down for me. Anyone else? | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:13 Craton wrote: I make a champion that you press one button and it kills the entire enemy team. Everyone finds him boring and few people play him. Despite his unpopularity, it's still broken as hell. Welcome to Philosophy 104: Introduction to Logic. This lesson is known as "Independent Things Are Not Dependent" Except they aren't independent. For most of us, winning is a large part of the enjoyment we derive from this game. There are plenty of champions that are both popular and extremely boring to play, take Soraka for example. Too many people value elo and winning to ignore a 'boring' but powerful champion. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
The champ is still pretty good, just not as reliable as a plethora of other champs that there aren't enough bans to cover. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:25 GreenManalishi wrote: Except they aren't independent. For most of us, winning is a large part of the enjoyment we derive from this game. There are plenty of champions that are both popular and extremely boring to play, take Soraka for example. Too many people value elo and winning to ignore a 'boring' but powerful champion. And yet there are frequently champions that are very strong, but also very underplayed for extended periods of time. | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:25 GreenManalishi wrote: Except they aren't independent. For most of us, winning is a large part of the enjoyment we derive from this game. There are plenty of champions that are both popular and extremely boring to play, take Soraka for example. Too many people value elo and winning to ignore a 'boring' but powerful champion. Hey don't be like that, Soraka has her moments. Enemy rat boy lightning balling into your team for an ult? SILENCE MIDGET, IT'S TIME TO DIE! | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/614738/ This is a game I just played an I could deny riven all day with kayle, but our team was feeding, etc. I could have pushed and took a tower, but I was thinking the best way to make an advantage for my team was to deny riven and basically make it into 5v4.5. When I'm in this possition in the future, should I just take my tower and help elsewhere while I let top catch up in CS, or was what I did the correct decision? | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:53 Arisen wrote: If you're denying your lane hardcore as a top but your team isn't doing great, what can you do to swing things more in your favor? http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/614738/ This is a game I just played an I could deny riven all day with kayle, but our team was feeding, etc. I could have pushed and took a tower, but I was thinking the best way to make an advantage for my team was to deny riven and basically make it into 5v4.5. When I'm in this possition in the future, should I just take my tower and help elsewhere while I let top catch up in CS, or was what I did the correct decision? Roam. Your lane opponent would have a hard time figuring out when you're hiding, when you aren't there, when he should push and when he shouldn't be in lane. You take advantage of the fact that there is a ton of information he can't know and probably won't play optimally because of it. You can also just take the turret, then go to the other lanes and take those turrets, you will no have control of part of their jungle and you can start invading the jungle so your team can start catching back up. | ||
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BaconSoup
New Zealand60 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:54 Ryuu314 wrote: To be fair, no one uses him in tourneys not because he's weak, but because he's boring as fuck to play so no one practices him. Not only that, but a recent patch broke his R casting and almost doubled the amount of time it takes to cast and hit all 3 ult charges. They are fixing it :-D linky I find him very fun to play, nothing quite like hitting a 3-pointer. As to whether he is viable or not, I plan to play him more once the fix has been implemented and find out. | ||
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