EPT[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 114
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 17 2012 08:34 Seuss wrote: Really I'm just glad to see another player enjoying him. To be perfectly fair my initial impression was that he wasn't a great jungler. You can see a definitive progress in my posts on the subject. Monte Hecarim Post #1: "It worked out alright." Monte Hecarim Post #2: "As of yet I think there's still some room to explore Hecarim as a jungler, but he seems far more suited for top or midlane." Monte Hecarim Post #3: "Now that I've played him Hecarim isn't as bad a jungler as people are making out. I wouldn't say he's top tier, but he's decent." Monte Hecarim Post #4: "I need to play a game where I don't get 3+ kills in the first 10 minutes before I can give a decisive verdict." Monte Thereafter: "Why am I not abusing this pony for free Platinum?" Granted, that was over a couple of days. It's taken months for the greater LoL community to reach #3. I'll keep pointing out he's the best pick that isn't Alistar/Naut/Malphite until a month or two from now when everyone starts banning him. I dont understand how people do well with Pony. Every time I play him I just feel awful and do like nothing. <_< | ||
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
@vaporized: is this the guide you've been using? http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=23828 | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
His late game is kind of weird, though. He has one of the best initiates, better than Malph in some cases. Malph better for AoE comps where you want them to stay together, Hec better for splitting everyone and getting free gibs. He can bear down on a squishy and force them out, but he can also peel with E (and a slow if you have Red/Phage). It's strong, but it's not super tanky Amumu/Naut/Mao late game or tanky damage Jax/Yorick/Riven late game, somewhere inbetween. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:41 ticklishmusic wrote: alright, im sitting at 5k ip right now. do i buy a 3150 and a 1350, 3 1350's, a 4800, or tough it out till death pony? @vaporized: is this the guide you've been using? http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=23828 yeah it is. hes changed it a few times, im not sure when he added maw, but it is really good on hec. he used to have atkspd reds also, it is really personal preference. 21 def is also good, but the 9-12-9 is the best of every tree imo. and i really recommend gp5 instead of wriggles. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:41 ticklishmusic wrote: alright, im sitting at 5k ip right now. do i buy a 3150 and a 1350, 3 1350's, a 4800, or tough it out till death pony? @vaporized: is this the guide you've been using? http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=23828 Buy Heimerdinger and Evelynn for remakes | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
We also always tease him for getting Lich Bane early on Brand. Tonight I was playing a game with him and we had probably the worst AD Carry I've ever seen. Our MF Claimed to be drunk and fed 0/11 to their Ezreal before the 20 minute mark. To put it in perspective, their teamcomp was Yorick (Top) Warwick (Jungle) Ahri (Mid) Ezreal (AD) Soraka (Support) We had Wukong (Top) (Me) Malphite (Jungle) Brand (Mid) Miss Fortune (AD) (Ragequit around the 18 minute mark) Blitzcrank (Support) So, fast forward like 20 minutes and we're stabilizing, getting really good instagibs on Ezreal in teamfights with the Malphite/Wukong/Brand combo and getting good initiates with Blitz grabs. They Baron a second time and push mid. We ace them and push down mid for the win, but both nexus turrets are in the way and only me/Malphite are up. We get greedy and try to fight them 4v5 off spawn and Ezreal manages to disengage into the fountain, regen, and restart the fight. We all die except for Malphite and he books it back to base. He manages to hold at the nexus turrets the remaining 20 seconds until we respawn. We take down Soraka, Ahri and Yorick, but WW and Ez live. We push mid after stabilizing our base again and try to end it, but Ez comes up mid-fight and we start losing. I go down, Malphite dies, Blitz dies and suddenly things look bleak. I type in teamchat "I think we lost this one" Brand gets engaged on Gets a spell off, and auto's the Nexus with his Lich Bane proc. Game goes to Victory animation. This should probably mostly be in the LoCicero thread, but I put it here because I'm really curious. Is Lich Bane really okay on Brand outside of retardedly specific scenarios like this one? | ||
UniversalSnip
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
seriously, i just feel like morde can get so fucking exploited by getting camped. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6214 Posts
On July 17 2012 11:56 wei2coolman wrote: So, if I'm morde mid, and I get camped by a Nautilus. WUT DO? seriously, i just feel like morde can get so fucking exploited by getting camped. Almost nothing you can do besides ward. That's exactly what a nautilus should be doing against a morde, camping you, since morde has only flash as an escape, naturally pushes lane and is a melee mid apart from skills. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Other thing is that Lichbane's extra damage is all physical. Combine those together and you see that lichbane is a poor option early, and not even really that strong late because late game everyone besides their carries likely have 150~ armor so you better off just buying Void Staff+extras on most APs. Thats not to say it is universally terrible, its pretty good on like TF/Ziggs/Nidalee/AP Ezreal because skills with an on-hit modifier that are magic turn the proc into a magic damage as well. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 17 2012 11:45 VirgilSC2 wrote: Is Lich Bane really okay on Brand outside of retardedly specific scenarios like this one? Lichbane should only be taken on champs who build a lot of AP and also be tanky/mobile enough to actually use the proc. Lichbane effectively gives you an additional physical damage 1.0 AP ratio nuke. To that end, the only champs that actually fit those requirements are AP assassins. Off the top of my head, the only champs I'd ever get it on, outside of retardedly specific scenarios like the one you mentioned, are Akali, Fizz, Sion, TF, and AP Nidalee. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
Cutlass->chalice (for spamming my abilities) ->aegis+phage->glacial One game where I did manage to get full build was one where their AP was a pretty useless lux I ended with triforce, frozen heart, sunfire, athene's and gunblade. Although our top laner was pretty tanky too otherwise I'd gone for another tanky item instead of gunblade. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On the bright side, he looks neat. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On July 17 2012 12:11 Parnage wrote: Hecarim falls into the Skarner category for me, he's one of those champions that look really fun to play as a jungle but when you do, you just don't enjoy it. Well I don't at least. He's not terrible and honestly I should play him because he is really good but I just don't enjoy him. Just like Skarner. On the bright side, he looks neat. i agree actually that hec is not the most fun champ to play. but i enjoy skarner (he is my most played), and i think skarner is better in damn near any situation. the ults are very different. hec you are jumping into the enemy team and skarner u are pulling someone away from their team. i also dont agree that hec and skarner play similiarily (you didnt say that but others have). hec's whole thing is he goes faster then anyone else which leaves him open to being kited. skarner's main idea behind playing him is perma slowing. their skills might be sort of the same (i dont think so there either, besides the aoe q) but in actual play they are different imo. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 17 2012 12:09 Ryuu314 wrote: Lichbane should only be taken on champs who build a lot of AP and also be tanky/mobile enough to actually use the proc. Lichbane effectively gives you an additional physical damage 1.0 AP ratio nuke. To that end, the only champs that actually fit those requirements are AP assassins. Off the top of my head, the only champs I'd ever get it on, outside of retardedly specific scenarios like the one you mentioned, are Akali, Fizz, Sion, TF, and AP Nidalee. I pretty much always go lichbane on Ziggs and Lux because of their range and part of their kit's damage being built into their autoattacks. I also sometimes get it on galio because it's another ap item that gives mr so he scales even more off of it, he's tanky enough to get in some melee hits and he kind of needs an extra high damage proc, though that's situationally based on if we need more damage and if I don't need any armor or whatever. I do this less often now that Athene's is a full item but i'll still do it sometimes. On July 17 2012 12:25 Vaporized wrote: i agree actually that hec is not the most fun champ to play. but i enjoy skarner (he is my most played), and i think skarner is better in damn near any situation. the ults are very different. hec you are jumping into the enemy team and skarner u are pulling someone away from their team. i also dont agree that hec and skarner play similiarily (you didnt say that but others have). hec's whole thing is he goes faster then anyone else which leaves him open to being kited. skarner's main idea behind playing him is perma slowing. their skills might be sort of the same (i dont think so there either, besides the aoe q) but in actual play they are different imo. Their q's are similar, they both have a very strong self movespeed buff, and they both have a mediocre self healing spell. Their kits are amazingly similar until you get to the ult. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On July 17 2012 12:36 TwoToneTerran wrote: I pretty much always go lichbane on Ziggs and Lux because of their range and part of their kit's damage being built into their autoattacks. I also sometimes get it on galio because it's another ap item that gives mr so he scales even more off of it, he's tanky enough to get in some melee hits and he kind of needs an extra high damage proc, though that's situationally based on if we need more damage and if I don't need any armor or whatever. I do this less often now that Athene's is a full item but i'll still do it sometimes. Their q's are similar, they both have a very strong self movespeed buff, and they both have a mediocre self healing spell. Their kits are amazingly similar until you get to the ult. Hecarim has a mediocre self healing spell? Shits broken in team fights | ||
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