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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 16 2012 20:56 GMT
#2221
Alright, explain to me when I should back. Because "safe" and "unsafe" are so variable and there's a lot of grey area.

-I'm at half health as a tanky top with lifesteal. Lane opponent went back, only jungler is missing (so to speak). If he shows up RIGHT NOW, I'm dead, but with ~30 seconds of hitting things and letting my potion tick, I'll be fine. Back?

-Playing mid. Full health, but oom and only enough mana for one spell cast. Lane opponent isn't pushing, and I can farm well enough with autos, but if he tries to fight, I might be hosed unless I use my escape spell right. Back?

-Jungling with sustain (Hec, WW, Nunu, etc). Just ganked bot lane and have ~half health. Haven't seen enemy jungle in a while, and enemy mid is pretty full. I can walk to a small camp, fill up my health bar, and be ready to gank again. However, if the enemy jungler or mid pops into my jungle, they can potentially gib me. Back?
It's your boy Guzma!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23463 Posts
July 16 2012 20:59 GMT
#2222
You have to make calculated risks based on how long you have been vulnerable to a gank as visible on the map, last place jungler was sighted, how long you have until you're safe etc.
aka Teutonica
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
July 16 2012 21:03 GMT
#2223
On July 17 2012 05:56 Requizen wrote:
Alright, explain to me when I should back. Because "safe" and "unsafe" are so variable and there's a lot of grey area.

-I'm at half health as a tanky top with lifesteal. Lane opponent went back, only jungler is missing (so to speak). If he shows up RIGHT NOW, I'm dead, but with ~30 seconds of hitting things and letting my potion tick, I'll be fine. Back?

-Playing mid. Full health, but oom and only enough mana for one spell cast. Lane opponent isn't pushing, and I can farm well enough with autos, but if he tries to fight, I might be hosed unless I use my escape spell right. Back?

-Jungling with sustain (Hec, WW, Nunu, etc). Just ganked bot lane and have ~half health. Haven't seen enemy jungle in a while, and enemy mid is pretty full. I can walk to a small camp, fill up my health bar, and be ready to gank again. However, if the enemy jungler or mid pops into my jungle, they can potentially gib me. Back?

This depends on many, many factors in my opinion, for example your scaling vs. enemy scaling, if and how far ahead you or the enemy laner is, the amount of global ultimates, when the next objective comes up, summoner cooldowns, potentially ultimate cooldowns... I know this is an answer you probably want to hit me for, but the best way to answer it is: back when the risk you are taking outweighs the advantage you potentially gain from taking it. What that exactly means is different from game to game.
currently rooting for myself.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:04:59
July 16 2012 21:04 GMT
#2224
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:07:36
July 16 2012 21:05 GMT
#2225
"Safe" is too vague, I think. There's been plenty of times I think I'm "safe", since I'm warded, sitting at my tower, at 70% with a potion ticking, when suddenly the enemy jungle hooks behind tower, dives with the laner, and wrecks me. 70% isn't low enough to justify backing with, I think, but hey, there you go.


On July 17 2012 06:03 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 05:56 Requizen wrote:
Alright, explain to me when I should back. Because "safe" and "unsafe" are so variable and there's a lot of grey area.

-I'm at half health as a tanky top with lifesteal. Lane opponent went back, only jungler is missing (so to speak). If he shows up RIGHT NOW, I'm dead, but with ~30 seconds of hitting things and letting my potion tick, I'll be fine. Back?

-Playing mid. Full health, but oom and only enough mana for one spell cast. Lane opponent isn't pushing, and I can farm well enough with autos, but if he tries to fight, I might be hosed unless I use my escape spell right. Back?

-Jungling with sustain (Hec, WW, Nunu, etc). Just ganked bot lane and have ~half health. Haven't seen enemy jungle in a while, and enemy mid is pretty full. I can walk to a small camp, fill up my health bar, and be ready to gank again. However, if the enemy jungler or mid pops into my jungle, they can potentially gib me. Back?

This depends on many, many factors in my opinion, for example your scaling vs. enemy scaling, if and how far ahead you or the enemy laner is, the amount of global ultimates, when the next objective comes up, summoner cooldowns, potentially ultimate cooldowns... I know this is an answer you probably want to hit me for, but the best way to answer it is: back when the risk you are taking outweighs the advantage you potentially gain from taking it. What that exactly means is different from game to game.

How much risk is farm worth, then? Early in the game, with only lvl 1 boots, blue pilling and running back to lane can be ~2 waves if not more, depending on where they were when you left, not to mention that now your lane opponent gets those waves free from your harass.
It's your boy Guzma!
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 16 2012 21:13 GMT
#2226
On July 17 2012 06:04 Zhiroo wrote:
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta

[image loading]
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 16 2012 21:14 GMT
#2227
On July 17 2012 04:14 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Omg pony is so good.

You got wards? - lol ghost+E
You towerhugging? - np initiate with ult then W and hammer away while getting all my health back

Tbh to me he feels like Skarner 2.0 - clears decently fast and his ganks are awesome. Also pretty strong at catching anyone even slightly out of position.
Ult is strong initiation and E lets you peel off bruisers from your carry. W keeps you alive forever in teamfights especially with max CDR and you can back off when its on CD only to come back to clean up when its up again. New favorite jungler.


You mean a champion with Malphite Ult, Rammus Powerball, an ability which is effectively 30% Life Steal and Spell Vamp (sans AoE penalty!) off anything anyone does and a cheap, scaling, spammable AoE, is strong?

Shocking.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
July 16 2012 21:17 GMT
#2228
On July 17 2012 06:05 Requizen wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:03 Shiv. wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:56 Requizen wrote:
Alright, explain to me when I should back. Because "safe" and "unsafe" are so variable and there's a lot of grey area.

-I'm at half health as a tanky top with lifesteal. Lane opponent went back, only jungler is missing (so to speak). If he shows up RIGHT NOW, I'm dead, but with ~30 seconds of hitting things and letting my potion tick, I'll be fine. Back?

-Playing mid. Full health, but oom and only enough mana for one spell cast. Lane opponent isn't pushing, and I can farm well enough with autos, but if he tries to fight, I might be hosed unless I use my escape spell right. Back?

-Jungling with sustain (Hec, WW, Nunu, etc). Just ganked bot lane and have ~half health. Haven't seen enemy jungle in a while, and enemy mid is pretty full. I can walk to a small camp, fill up my health bar, and be ready to gank again. However, if the enemy jungler or mid pops into my jungle, they can potentially gib me. Back?

This depends on many, many factors in my opinion, for example your scaling vs. enemy scaling, if and how far ahead you or the enemy laner is, the amount of global ultimates, when the next objective comes up, summoner cooldowns, potentially ultimate cooldowns... I know this is an answer you probably want to hit me for, but the best way to answer it is: back when the risk you are taking outweighs the advantage you potentially gain from taking it. What that exactly means is different from game to game.

How much risk is farm worth, then? Early in the game, with only lvl 1 boots, blue pilling and running back to lane can be ~2 waves if not more, depending on where they were when you left, not to mention that now your lane opponent gets those waves free from your harass.

Good question, one I'm struggling to answer myself. Again, I'd say: it depends on a bunch of factors. Irelia against Rumble, for example, I feel that the combination of levels and a certain amount of items make me win the lane if I don't mess up too badly, regardless of wether he's 10 CS behind or 30 ahead. I also know that if I let him snowball out of control, I will probably not manage to catch up, so I'm willing to sacrifice some farm and XP, knowing I will be able to make a comeback eventually. Riven against Kennen, a matchup so volatile I want to kill myself every time I play it, I wouldn't do that early on because my entire plan is loosely based around me hitting 6 before he does, so every bit of XP is important.

I guess if you think about it a lot during the game and try to take as much variables into consideration as possible, you have a decent chance of ending up with the ''right'' choice. And if it was the wrong choice, well, at least now you know.
currently rooting for myself.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:25:14
July 16 2012 21:25 GMT
#2229
On July 17 2012 06:13 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:04 Zhiroo wrote:
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'm scared for his life now, he said he had nervous breakdowns and this might just destroy him
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
July 16 2012 21:26 GMT
#2230
On July 17 2012 06:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:13 Perplex wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:04 Zhiroo wrote:
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'm scared for his life now, he said he had nervous breakdowns and this might just destroy him

Yeah this sucks for him, but I really doubt they kicked him just because of DDoS issues
Hopefully he will be able to find or make a new team
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 16 2012 21:31 GMT
#2231
On July 17 2012 06:26 Qualm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:13 Perplex wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:04 Zhiroo wrote:
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'm scared for his life now, he said he had nervous breakdowns and this might just destroy him

Yeah this sucks for him, but I really doubt they kicked him just because of DDoS issues
Hopefully he will be able to find or make a new team

afaik nintendude had/has an abrasive personality and a tendency to troll.

unless i'm thinking of someone else, which is possible.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 16 2012 21:33 GMT
#2232
On July 17 2012 06:31 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:26 Qualm wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:13 Perplex wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:04 Zhiroo wrote:
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'm scared for his life now, he said he had nervous breakdowns and this might just destroy him

Yeah this sucks for him, but I really doubt they kicked him just because of DDoS issues
Hopefully he will be able to find or make a new team

afaik nintendude had/has an abrasive personality and a tendency to troll.

unless i'm thinking of someone else, which is possible.


Abrasive and trolls, sounds like a lot of people on NA. zzz
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 16 2012 21:34 GMT
#2233
idk I'd take nintendude on my team over Atlanta
Carrilord has arrived.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
July 16 2012 21:35 GMT
#2234
On July 17 2012 06:26 Qualm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:13 Perplex wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:04 Zhiroo wrote:
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'm scared for his life now, he said he had nervous breakdowns and this might just destroy him

Yeah this sucks for him, but I really doubt they kicked him just because of DDoS issues
Hopefully he will be able to find or make a new team

Admittedly, I probably wasn't as active as I would have liked to be lately, so I wouldn't know with certainty, but I always thought of Nin10dudeX as one of the more consistent performers of TD.
currently rooting for myself.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 16 2012 21:38 GMT
#2235
On July 17 2012 06:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:13 Perplex wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:04 Zhiroo wrote:
So NintendodudeX kicked from TD and replaced by Atlanta

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'm scared for his life now, he said he had nervous breakdowns and this might just destroy him


Yeah it's sad to see how toxic reddit is being about the whole situation too. The more he reads those comments the worse off he'll be :\

He's a good player, I hope it all turns out well for him.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:52:44
July 16 2012 21:44 GMT
#2236
If anything zionspartan probably worst on TD. he plays so stupid sometimes. not to mention a lot of his successes come from nintendudex being #1 lane camper NA.
liftlift > tsm
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
July 16 2012 22:03 GMT
#2237
Err what is champion base? It's supposed to be a LoL info site for tournaments and stream and they make a tournament to advertise it, but they don't even have a basic structure yet.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 16 2012 22:06 GMT
#2238
Do champions get the level up stats for being lvl 1? or are the stats like 383 hp(+30) their lvl 1 stats?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
July 16 2012 22:14 GMT
#2239
Wow, that sucks for Nintendude. =\

I remember him showing how good Jungle Riven is at IPL. Good player, and I always thought they had more of a team issue than a single person. Then again, I'm just basing it off of how they seem to never be able to close some series. Don't know much about their individual players.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
July 16 2012 22:24 GMT
#2240
On July 17 2012 07:06 arb wrote:
Do champions get the level up stats for being lvl 1? or are the stats like 383 hp(+30) their lvl 1 stats?

yes
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