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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 14 2012 20:39 GMT
#1461
I actually think Riot is hiding their true motive of stealth nerfing smurfing, because as is ELO loss makes a lot of sense.
Carrilord has arrived.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 14 2012 20:40 GMT
#1462
On June 15 2012 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
well, frankly, it never made sense that you lost elo AND had a time penalty
it should have been one or the other. the combination of both made it so everyone would rather risk playing with promote/revive eve than instantly losing 10 elo and not getting to play at all.

i expect they'll either just up the wait time after dodging to absurd amounts (halfhour first dodge, hour second) or implement a "leaver" queue where your queues are longer the more you dodge games and also filled with leavers, so you never get games.


also, it sickens me that riot will probably make $30million+ on that ezreal skin the first day it comes out. i mean i don't dislike them making money, but i will get sick with jealousy, and anyone with an artistic side should also be extremely jelly. when did one of your pieces of art sell for $30million?

also i've been tanking my elo and i'm playing in the 1500s now and it is hilarious
every game i drop, the players get more and more cocky and also more insecure. at the slightest mistake by ANYONE, the entire game implodes and it's the ragefest of a lifetime. i didn't give blue buff to a mid ONE TIME and he left the game (that we were winning HANDILY) for 10 minutes then came back and just took buffs every time they were up. lol. classy AND hilarious. i also havne't seen a support hero in like 12 games. galio bot, orianna bot, jarvan bot, akali bot, kennen bot... people will do ANYTHING to not play a support hero

the egos people have down there are hilarious. im amazing and u all suck im not supporting because i have to carry mehmehmehmehmeh. looool.
GANDHISAUCE
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 14 2012 20:45 GMT
#1463
On June 15 2012 05:40 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
well, frankly, it never made sense that you lost elo AND had a time penalty
it should have been one or the other. the combination of both made it so everyone would rather risk playing with promote/revive eve than instantly losing 10 elo and not getting to play at all.

i expect they'll either just up the wait time after dodging to absurd amounts (halfhour first dodge, hour second) or implement a "leaver" queue where your queues are longer the more you dodge games and also filled with leavers, so you never get games.


also, it sickens me that riot will probably make $30million+ on that ezreal skin the first day it comes out. i mean i don't dislike them making money, but i will get sick with jealousy, and anyone with an artistic side should also be extremely jelly. when did one of your pieces of art sell for $30million?

also i've been tanking my elo and i'm playing in the 1500s now and it is hilarious
every game i drop, the players get more and more cocky and also more insecure. at the slightest mistake by ANYONE, the entire game implodes and it's the ragefest of a lifetime. i didn't give blue buff to a mid ONE TIME and he left the game (that we were winning HANDILY) for 10 minutes then came back and just took buffs every time they were up. lol. classy AND hilarious. i also havne't seen a support hero in like 12 games. galio bot, orianna bot, jarvan bot, akali bot, kennen bot... people will do ANYTHING to not play a support hero

the egos people have down there are hilarious. im amazing and u all suck im not supporting because i have to carry mehmehmehmehmeh. looool.

It's never anyone's own fault for dying! It's the jungler's for not ganking/support for not healing/top for not roaming/mid for not winning his lane/AD for not having a 20 minute IE and PD!
It's your boy Guzma!
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
June 14 2012 20:48 GMT
#1464
the problem is that the mid or feed kids are gonna be playing a game a chicken with the 4 other people on their team with their revive/promote eves and getting someone else to dodge will work often enough that the deterrent will possibly be completely ineffective.

there is almost always gonna be 1 out of 4 people who would rather dodge than play with a troll if there is no elo loss, and the actual troll will rarely have to experience whatever the dodge penalty is himself.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 14 2012 20:50 GMT
#1465
On June 15 2012 05:13 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:12 Dark_Chill wrote:

Also, can someone explain Riot's reasoning to make a skin worth the same amount as a champion?

They put as much or more effort into it, hence it's worth the same or more.


I don't think anyone who doesn't work at Riot knows for sure how long they take to work on a particular champion or skin. But by their own admission Pulsefire Ez took a lot more people working on it than any other skin has and it's been getting worked on for over a year now. So yeah, I think it's safe to say they put more time, effort, and manpower into this skin than they probably do for most champion releases.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 14 2012 20:50 GMT
#1466
I'm personally looking forward to bailing out of games where two people are already at each other's throats before the first ban, where the last pick is a special snowflake, or when TL B starts yelling at me for queuing too fast. There will be downsides, but I think they'll be worth it.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 14 2012 20:57 GMT
#1467
On June 15 2012 05:48 chalice wrote:
the problem is that the mid or feed kids are gonna be playing a game a chicken with the 4 other people on their team with their revive/promote eves and getting someone else to dodge will work often enough that the deterrent will possibly be completely ineffective.

there is almost always gonna be 1 out of 4 people who would rather dodge than play with a troll if there is no elo loss, and the actual troll will rarely have to experience whatever the dodge penalty is himself.

The thing, though, is that this already happens. You're always going to get people that act like that, whether there's an ELO penalty or not. Now, though, I won't have a real issue dodging that troll myself, I'll just go get some water or something and wait for the timer.

Will there be more dodges? Maybe. But there'll also, I think, be less troll games because there's less incentive to stick with a bad team.
It's your boy Guzma!
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
June 14 2012 21:03 GMT
#1468
The lack of elo loss also makes it feel a little less awful when an emergency happens when your queue pops (which has happened to me a couple of times). Granted, it's kind of a minority case, but when, for example, your friend gets really sick and you have to take him to the doctor and he calls you, but you're currently in champ select, it feels kinda bad when you get additional, permanent punishment from riot for dodging.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 21:05:14
June 14 2012 21:04 GMT
#1469
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
June 14 2012 21:05 GMT
#1470
no doubt the quality of games with improve enough that it'll most likely be worth it, but if riot doesn't handle the change close to perfectly there is potential for queuing and starting a ranked game to be a much, much longer and more frustrating process than it is currently.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 14 2012 21:49 GMT
#1471
The penalty shouldn't be losing ELO, it should be something much harsher like LOSING IP/RP OR BEING BANNED
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 14 2012 21:51 GMT
#1472
On June 15 2012 06:49 MooMooMugi wrote:
The penalty shouldn't be losing ELO, it should be something much harsher like LOSING IP/RP OR BEING BANNED

Losing IP and RP is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Lets pay money to give it away cause we have an emergency

double leaver debuff or just removing the ELO thing in general would be better
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 14 2012 21:54 GMT
#1473
Hence why I was joking
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 14 2012 21:59 GMT
#1474
A simple -50% IP "buff" for a couple of games might be enough actually.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
June 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#1475
I really like removing elo loss for dodging. Because for players like me who only have time to play 1 maybe 2 games every couple or days or so it SUCKS when you get that BS shit happening in champ select and that is the game you have to deal with unless you want to lower your elo (and this sucks when your TRYING your hardest to raise it).
Never Knows Best.
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 22:05:29
June 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#1476
On June 15 2012 05:45 Requizen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2012 05:40 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
well, frankly, it never made sense that you lost elo AND had a time penalty
it should have been one or the other. the combination of both made it so everyone would rather risk playing with promote/revive eve than instantly losing 10 elo and not getting to play at all.

i expect they'll either just up the wait time after dodging to absurd amounts (halfhour first dodge, hour second) or implement a "leaver" queue where your queues are longer the more you dodge games and also filled with leavers, so you never get games.


also, it sickens me that riot will probably make $30million+ on that ezreal skin the first day it comes out. i mean i don't dislike them making money, but i will get sick with jealousy, and anyone with an artistic side should also be extremely jelly. when did one of your pieces of art sell for $30million?

also i've been tanking my elo and i'm playing in the 1500s now and it is hilarious
every game i drop, the players get more and more cocky and also more insecure. at the slightest mistake by ANYONE, the entire game implodes and it's the ragefest of a lifetime. i didn't give blue buff to a mid ONE TIME and he left the game (that we were winning HANDILY) for 10 minutes then came back and just took buffs every time they were up. lol. classy AND hilarious. i also havne't seen a support hero in like 12 games. galio bot, orianna bot, jarvan bot, akali bot, kennen bot... people will do ANYTHING to not play a support hero

the egos people have down there are hilarious. im amazing and u all suck im not supporting because i have to carry mehmehmehmehmeh. looool.

It's never anyone's own fault for dying! It's the jungler's for not ganking/support for not healing/top for not roaming/mid for not winning his lane/AD for not having a 20 minute IE and PD!


This reminds me of that one time when our mid fed the enemy Ryze 5 kills in 10 minutes, and blamed me, 'cause supports should not only help the ad carry earlygame.
Oh, and he was playing Cassio of all champs.

EDIT: I think an IP-reduction for 1 or max 2 games would be the best.
"My spoon is too big."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 14 2012 22:25 GMT
#1477
On June 15 2012 07:04 Antyee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:45 Requizen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2012 05:40 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
well, frankly, it never made sense that you lost elo AND had a time penalty
it should have been one or the other. the combination of both made it so everyone would rather risk playing with promote/revive eve than instantly losing 10 elo and not getting to play at all.

i expect they'll either just up the wait time after dodging to absurd amounts (halfhour first dodge, hour second) or implement a "leaver" queue where your queues are longer the more you dodge games and also filled with leavers, so you never get games.


also, it sickens me that riot will probably make $30million+ on that ezreal skin the first day it comes out. i mean i don't dislike them making money, but i will get sick with jealousy, and anyone with an artistic side should also be extremely jelly. when did one of your pieces of art sell for $30million?

also i've been tanking my elo and i'm playing in the 1500s now and it is hilarious
every game i drop, the players get more and more cocky and also more insecure. at the slightest mistake by ANYONE, the entire game implodes and it's the ragefest of a lifetime. i didn't give blue buff to a mid ONE TIME and he left the game (that we were winning HANDILY) for 10 minutes then came back and just took buffs every time they were up. lol. classy AND hilarious. i also havne't seen a support hero in like 12 games. galio bot, orianna bot, jarvan bot, akali bot, kennen bot... people will do ANYTHING to not play a support hero

the egos people have down there are hilarious. im amazing and u all suck im not supporting because i have to carry mehmehmehmehmeh. looool.

It's never anyone's own fault for dying! It's the jungler's for not ganking/support for not healing/top for not roaming/mid for not winning his lane/AD for not having a 20 minute IE and PD!


This reminds me of that one time when our mid fed the enemy Ryze 5 kills in 10 minutes, and blamed me, 'cause supports should not only help the ad carry earlygame.
Oh, and he was playing Cassio of all champs.

EDIT: I think an IP-reduction for 1 or max 2 games would be the best.

I think even reducing IP for a dodge is dumb, because I get in queue and hell I dunno my mother needs me to run to the store and I have to dodge, I then have to come back and sit through a game or two where i know its just wasting time because im getting jack shit for IP, just because of some unforeseen circumstance earlier. Thats dumb.

If anything make it double the dodge queue, instead of starting at 5 or 6 or whatever 10 or 12 for dodging ranked.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
June 14 2012 22:29 GMT
#1478
Random thought on removing elo loss:

Currently some people tank their elo to beat up scrubs by dodging a lot.
If people want to tank their elo still, will this mean they will start just afking in actual games to lose elo?

I have no idea how common people intentionally tanking their elo are, but I just hope it's not enough to noticably increase afks/leavers.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 14 2012 22:35 GMT
#1479
On June 15 2012 05:40 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
well, frankly, it never made sense that you lost elo AND had a time penalty
it should have been one or the other. the combination of both made it so everyone would rather risk playing with promote/revive eve than instantly losing 10 elo and not getting to play at all.

i expect they'll either just up the wait time after dodging to absurd amounts (halfhour first dodge, hour second) or implement a "leaver" queue where your queues are longer the more you dodge games and also filled with leavers, so you never get games.


also, it sickens me that riot will probably make $30million+ on that ezreal skin the first day it comes out. i mean i don't dislike them making money, but i will get sick with jealousy, and anyone with an artistic side should also be extremely jelly. when did one of your pieces of art sell for $30million?

also i've been tanking my elo and i'm playing in the 1500s now and it is hilarious
every game i drop, the players get more and more cocky and also more insecure. at the slightest mistake by ANYONE, the entire game implodes and it's the ragefest of a lifetime. i didn't give blue buff to a mid ONE TIME and he left the game (that we were winning HANDILY) for 10 minutes then came back and just took buffs every time they were up. lol. classy AND hilarious. i also havne't seen a support hero in like 12 games. galio bot, orianna bot, jarvan bot, akali bot, kennen bot... people will do ANYTHING to not play a support hero

the egos people have down there are hilarious. im amazing and u all suck im not supporting because i have to carry mehmehmehmehmeh. looool.


Yeah, but it's so much fun to play something like "support" lux at low elo's where you get so many kills you can build a deathcap around the same time as your AP mid l0l.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
June 14 2012 22:36 GMT
#1480
I always liked the loss of elo. Yes, it sucks if some emergency or unexpected circumstances happens (and it happend often enough to me), but they could aswell happen in the first minute of the game. IMO the game already starts at picks and bans since they are crucial to the actual game, and therefore you shouldn't be able to leave without an elo penalty.
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