[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 280

On July 06 2012 12:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
So...watching something interesting right now, want to know what TL's take on this is.

Phantomlord (who I normally don't watch too often...not a fan of his attitude) apparently is makin' bank off of people who are paying him for lessons/duo queue and such.

He's currently giving mid lane lessons to some guy and is doing something he calls 'The Caitlyn Challenge.'

I guess the opponent can pick any champ he wants to go v. Phantomlord on Caitlyn (except for easy clearing champs like Morde or Heimer or something) and the rules are:

1. 85 cs by 10 min
2. Can only step on 1 trap or he fails.
3. Cannot kill cait, can only harass
4. Cait can kill opponent unless Cait is below 50% hp in which case she may not harass.

Supposedly this is supposed to make someone 'think outside the box.' I'm not sure how useful this actually is, and I'm not sure how the rest of Phantomlord's lessons are supposed to go or teach someone. Just wondering what you guys think of these lessons as a teaching tool or whather it's just so much bullshit.

On July 06 2012 12:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
So...watching something interesting right now, want to know what TL's take on this is.

Phantomlord (who I normally don't watch too often...not a fan of his attitude) apparently is makin' bank off of people who are paying him for lessons/duo queue and such.

He's currently giving mid lane lessons to some guy and is doing something he calls 'The Caitlyn Challenge.'

I guess the opponent can pick any champ he wants to go v. Phantomlord on Caitlyn (except for easy clearing champs like Morde or Heimer or something) and the rules are:

1. 85 cs by 10 min
2. Can only step on 1 trap or he fails.
3. Cannot kill cait, can only harass
4. Cait can kill opponent unless Cait is below 50% hp in which case she may not harass.

Supposedly this is supposed to make someone 'think outside the box.' I'm not sure how useful this actually is, and I'm not sure how the rest of Phantomlord's lessons are supposed to go or teach someone. Just wondering what you guys think of these lessons as a teaching tool or whather it's just so much bullshit.

On July 06 2012 12:30 Scip wrote:
Oh god guys Im going to Norway for like maybe a week and I won't have any internet connection there.
I'm gonna mis you guys soooo much, Il have fun in there but still, no internets. With my absence being imminent, Im just going to thoughtdump.

I like Rammus, he's ok. I am having trouble finding a good build for him, can't hel but feel the wriggles PD build isn't exactly cutting it.
If the leaked patch notes are true, nautilus is going to be not very good at all, I feel like he's on the very very edge where he is barely OP from where he can kinda snowball if that makes sense, and I think the nerf would push him over the edge and make him mig-high tier jungler.
I want to see more Karma, the shield is just soooo strong and the speed up too just a godsent for a bruiser. But the same goes for Zilean who is arguably better, so I don't know. Support Karma unlikely to work. sigh sadface
Teut aka Slayer91 was avoiding to me, played ranked 5s with other guys and when I came online he just continued to play with them. I don't know what to do, I'd write a [girl] blog tommorow but I won't have the time. Any relationship advice? Does he want more freedom and think I'm too possesive? I don't think he would be unfaithful to me, he's way too awesome for that, but I'm worried about us. I'm starting to think I'm not good enough for him. Help please

On July 06 2012 12:44 arb wrote:

I don't think not being able to kill Caitlyn is pretty stupid, like realistically if he's dumb enough to die he should pay for it, and you earn your free cs time.

On July 06 2012 12:30 Scip wrote:
Oh god guys Im going to Norway for like maybe a week and I won't have any internet connection there.
I'm gonna mis you guys soooo much, Il have fun in there but still, no internets. With my absence being imminent, Im just going to thoughtdump.

I like Rammus, he's ok. I am having trouble finding a good build for him, can't hel but feel the wriggles PD build isn't exactly cutting it.
If the leaked patch notes are true, nautilus is going to be not very good at all, I feel like he's on the very very edge where he is barely OP from where he can kinda snowball if that makes sense, and I think the nerf would push him over the edge and make him mig-high tier jungler.
I want to see more Karma, the shield is just soooo strong and the speed up too just a godsent for a bruiser. But the same goes for Zilean who is arguably better, so I don't know. Support Karma unlikely to work. sigh sadface
Teut aka Slayer91 was avoiding to me, played ranked 5s with other guys and when I came online he just continued to play with them. I don't know what to do, I'd write a [girl] blog tommorow but I won't have the time. Any relationship advice? Does he want more freedom and think I'm too possesive? I don't think he would be unfaithful to me, he's way too awesome for that, but I'm worried about us. I'm starting to think I'm not good enough for him. Help please

On July 06 2012 12:26 r.Evo wrote:


Shikyo, you talk lots of weird stuff, you have many weird ideas, you cry a lot and we still love you. In some weird kind of way. But trying to even remotely side with the eve side of this debate really makes you look stupid. =P

Besides that:

On July 06 2012 12:50 HazMat wrote:
Any one notice how you don't see someone flash if you don't have vision of them? Is this a bug or some hidden patch or did I just miss it in some patch notes. I agree with the change but it has fucked me up many times.

On July 06 2012 13:05 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i know the pros can do things i only think of doing, but i wish they'd pay more attention to smaller details like

-using wriggles when its off cd instead of a sight ward in your inventory
-delaying purchases of gp10 upgrades till the last possible moment / tip of buy zone
-instabuying gp10 asap when dead / in range of shop

On July 06 2012 11:35 Ryuu314 wrote:


If they have a cc, then Fiddle's kinda screwed early on when drain cd is still quite long. Not to mention that Drain is costs quite a ton of mana and if Fiddle wants to fear+drain combo his opponent, he's going to go oom in like 3 combos. Fiddle also doesn't exactly have the best base mana pool/regen iirc.

Also, AP mids that don't have cc tend to have very strong pushing power, which Fiddle simply can't deal with at all. His pushing power is awful, which means it's very easy for the opposing AP mid to just shove lane and then steal your jungler's camps or go gank with little fear of retaliation from Fiddle.

I'm not saying that Fiddle can't do well. Just that in an isolated 1v1 lane situation I can't see Fiddle being able to dominate many lanes. Of course, with sufficient jungle support, Fiddle should be able to rock lanes pretty hard due to having like 5+ seconds of cc easily.

On July 06 2012 13:12 arb wrote:

I like buying both Gp10 before i get boots in bot lane if we're doing really well sometimes, but since im running gp10 runes im usually ahead of the other support regardless(unless they're pooping on our bot lane)

On July 06 2012 13:19 ViZe wrote:
I can only see Eve winning vs somone with comically bad solo laning. Like even Garen outscales her and there is probably nothing she can do to stop him from farming. Like Taric and Blitzcrank come to mind for me.

On July 06 2012 13:15 Qualm wrote:


It's the opposite. In a 1v1 situation fiddle will straight out most mids if they get to fight (you underrate how strong level 1 E is against mages), but as you said the real problem is that he will often just get pushed in and then the enemy can just go do whatever. To counter this you need to have enough jungle pressure so that the he is scared overextend by pushing, or just be strong enough to just zone the enemy if he does it. It's definitively something you can manage however.

Fiddle doesn't have mana problems at all, as long as you aren't careless about taking damage and always forced to spam drain. Like most sustained laners you will of course run into issues if you spam your healing ability at level 1 or level 2, because the heal to mana ratio is still really low. You can just use pots to help anyway.