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On July 06 2012 09:35 Shikyo wrote:
Ezreal is seriously such a hard counter vs Blitzcrank. Can harrass all day without worries and when he grabs you can just E to the side and continue the harrass.
I feel like he's currently the safest first pick for AD carries at least at 1400 elo, at least partially due to being immune to Blitzcrank. Problem with Graves is that Malphite in the game >>>>> Graves, and problem with Caitlyn is that she sucks. Corki also has some problems vs Kog'Maw and Ezreal as well, I'd say.
I believe that Ezreal is very underrated currently. He also is really good against Amumu, for example. Although you should yourself never get hit by the bandage, if a teammate gets hit by it, even Corki's W isn't fast enough to escape the ult. However, Ezreal E can get out of the range fast enough. Another advantage over Corki is that after using the reposition Ezreal has higher DPS because he recovers from his E way faster than Corki recovers from his W, and Corki W can't properly be used to just simply dodge skillshots. It also has a huge cooldown while Ezreal E cooldown is optimally only like 5 seconds.
Ezreal is picked every single game. Ezreal vs Graves in all of my games always lol. Started seeing some MF's too but they're all bad.
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Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work...
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On July 06 2012 09:40 PrinceXizor wrote:Oh sorry Smash i've been busy all day. R > E > Q >W EQEWER 5/25 getting as much damage reduction (without the return damage to minion) and regen/hp. I get turret damage on her, but thats just because i for some reason really appreciate turret damage when i play solo lanes. Start doran's shield. you Were already linked to the runepage i used but so it's all in 1 post: 6 AD Red 3 Armor Red 9 Armor Yellow 6 Armor Blue 3 Mres/lvl Blue 3 AD Quint Carry on all. 
wtf is this shit LOL
also ezreal underrated l0l i don't think theres been a single game where ezreal wasn't picked or banned since pfe came out.
jungle nunu is king. build whatever you want op.
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On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work...
Someone (I think Shake?) was talking about a 2k elo duo q running Fiddle mid and Amumu jungle with great success several pages back.
Honestly I think it might work if your Fiddle mid isn't too heavily counterpicked. I'm not sure how you'd skill him tho, cause his laning seems pretty weak against other APs to me. My guess is a combination of Q and E skilling , while more or less ignore W. Fiddle has sick gank assist with Q and E, but without W he doesn't really do damage so iunno.
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On July 06 2012 10:09 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work... Someone (I think Shake?) was talking about a 2k elo duo q running Fiddle mid and Amumu jungle with great success several pages back. Honestly I think it might work if your Fiddle mid isn't too heavily counterpicked. I'm not sure how you'd skill him tho, cause his laning seems pretty weak against other APs to me. My guess is a combination of Q and E skilling , while more or less ignore W. Fiddle has sick gank assist with Q and E, but without W he doesn't really do damage so iunno.
You can just max W and sustain pretty much everything.
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It's not duo queue it'd be full teamcomp.
Doesn't need fiddle as I said, can be karthus as well. Main idea is Rumble top + Amumu jungle
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On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work...
sounds like an easy way to get crushed by poke comp. also what you're suggesting is like the kennen vlad everyone uses except less flexible.
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On July 06 2012 10:09 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work... Someone (I think Shake?) was talking about a 2k elo duo q running Fiddle mid and Amumu jungle with great success several pages back. Honestly I think it might work if your Fiddle mid isn't too heavily counterpicked. I'm not sure how you'd skill him tho, cause his laning seems pretty weak against other APs to me. My guess is a combination of Q and E skilling , while more or less ignore W. Fiddle has sick gank assist with Q and E, but without W he doesn't really do damage so iunno.
General Azingy, man whenever that guy is in TheOddOne games when he's streaming his stream gets so much better.
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Kennen / Vlad does a thousand times less dmg its more sustain
(Not to mention different lanes so basically youre saying vlad does more dmg than rumble?)
Vlad even loses many lanes while rumble wrecks them, how can you say they are the same?
Not to mention it's a teamcomp of 5 not 2.
Stupid.
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Dig is playing in some IPL thing vs 4not but I can't find the stream, anyone know if there is one? If not I can spec and stream it for people.
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On July 06 2012 10:12 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 10:09 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work... Someone (I think Shake?) was talking about a 2k elo duo q running Fiddle mid and Amumu jungle with great success several pages back. Honestly I think it might work if your Fiddle mid isn't too heavily counterpicked. I'm not sure how you'd skill him tho, cause his laning seems pretty weak against other APs to me. My guess is a combination of Q and E skilling , while more or less ignore W. Fiddle has sick gank assist with Q and E, but without W he doesn't really do damage so iunno. You can just max W and sustain pretty much everything.
The problem with maxing W is that it’s a channeling spell, which means that whenever you try to use it, any good AP mid will be able to do tons of damage to you and also possibly interrupt your channel. Not only that, but W’s cooldown is pretty high until you get several levels in it and/or have blue. I don’t think it’s very mana efficient either iirc.
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On July 06 2012 10:21 Shikyo wrote:
Kennen / Vlad does a thousand times less dmg its more sustain
aaaaand this is where i give up.
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do kennen vlad and amumu !!!!!
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On July 06 2012 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 10:12 Qualm wrote:On July 06 2012 10:09 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work... Someone (I think Shake?) was talking about a 2k elo duo q running Fiddle mid and Amumu jungle with great success several pages back. Honestly I think it might work if your Fiddle mid isn't too heavily counterpicked. I'm not sure how you'd skill him tho, cause his laning seems pretty weak against other APs to me. My guess is a combination of Q and E skilling , while more or less ignore W. Fiddle has sick gank assist with Q and E, but without W he doesn't really do damage so iunno. You can just max W and sustain pretty much everything. The problem with maxing W is that it’s a channeling spell, which means that whenever you try to use it, any good AP mid will be able to do tons of damage to you and also possibly interrupt your channel. Not only that, but W’s cooldown is pretty high until you get several levels in it and/or have blue. I don’t think it’s very mana efficient either iirc.
You can't out dmg drain unless you have a cc. Most ap mid's don't have an on call CC that they can also save up for drain (ie they wouldn't be able to use it to CS or harass)
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On July 06 2012 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 10:12 Qualm wrote:On July 06 2012 10:09 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work... Someone (I think Shake?) was talking about a 2k elo duo q running Fiddle mid and Amumu jungle with great success several pages back. Honestly I think it might work if your Fiddle mid isn't too heavily counterpicked. I'm not sure how you'd skill him tho, cause his laning seems pretty weak against other APs to me. My guess is a combination of Q and E skilling , while more or less ignore W. Fiddle has sick gank assist with Q and E, but without W he doesn't really do damage so iunno. You can just max W and sustain pretty much everything. The problem with maxing W is that it’s a channeling spell, which means that whenever you try to use it, any good AP mid will be able to do tons of damage to you and also possibly interrupt your channel. Not only that, but W’s cooldown is pretty high until you get several levels in it and/or have blue. I don’t think it’s very mana efficient either iirc.
You have two different CCs that can stop them from doing that. And the cooldown is fairly short when you consider that it triggers at the start of the drain.
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On July 06 2012 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
The problem with maxing W is that it’s a channeling spell, which means that whenever you try to use it, any good AP mid will be able to do tons of damage to you and also possibly interrupt your channel. Not only that, but W’s cooldown is pretty high until you get several levels in it and/or have blue. I don’t think it’s very mana efficient either iirc.
Drain only needs to channel 2 ticks to be comparably powerful compared to non-channeling point-and-click nukes in terms of damage efficiency. This isn't even considering the fact that it heals as well.
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IMO true supports have high win rates because they ward a lot, get oracles, and ward right. Not because their spells are OP. I don't like playing support because I feel bad when I lose. Like I couldn't do anything to help the feeding top/mid/jungle and sometimes AD. Real supports beat renekton or akali support.
I remember this one game a mundo put a ward in our jungle where mid usually leashes blue. We were behind. The enemy gather in it. We make a good engage with tanks first, massive AoE and disruption coming in, and blitz lands 2/3 of his hooks. We kill 4, and dive a fifth (I think I stunned this one). Then we go take the second tower, get dragon, and then bot tower is open, but their AD carry has respawned, so I go around, stun her, and burst her down, and at this point their bot tower is gone. That one ward earned our team 6 kills, 2 towers, and a dragon. Yes there was a lot of good player skill and coordination but we were losing before that.
As far as tristana vs blitz goes, tristana's jump isn't instantaneous. If blitz grabs her (or worse he grabs her during her jump), he can rocket punch, and ult to prevent a flash or jump out. The lane is fine imo. Just buy some wards if your support won't, and hide behind creeps.
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So since Ahri has a skin on sale, does this mean Viktor will have a skin sale next/soon?
I want to be C3-P0 nao.
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On July 06 2012 11:00 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
The problem with maxing W is that it’s a channeling spell, which means that whenever you try to use it, any good AP mid will be able to do tons of damage to you and also possibly interrupt your channel. Not only that, but W’s cooldown is pretty high until you get several levels in it and/or have blue. I don’t think it’s very mana efficient either iirc. Drain only needs to channel 2 ticks to be comparably powerful compared to non-channeling point-and-click nukes in terms of damage efficiency. This isn't even considering the fact that it heals as well.
only problem is its cool down ;/
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On July 06 2012 11:00 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
The problem with maxing W is that it’s a channeling spell, which means that whenever you try to use it, any good AP mid will be able to do tons of damage to you and also possibly interrupt your channel. Not only that, but W’s cooldown is pretty high until you get several levels in it and/or have blue. I don’t think it’s very mana efficient either iirc. Drain only needs to channel 2 ticks to be comparably powerful compared to non-channeling point-and-click nukes in terms of damage efficiency. This isn't even considering the fact that it heals as well.
On July 06 2012 10:30 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 06 2012 10:12 Qualm wrote:On July 06 2012 10:09 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 06 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm I'm thinking a little.
Would a comp such as Fiddle in the Middle, Amumu jungle, Rumble top, Ezreal/Janna bot be viable?
Interesting that no one has really tried to run stuff like that in a competitive game, in theory it would be amazing. I guess people ward too well against Fiddle, but in that case, something like Karthus should still work... Someone (I think Shake?) was talking about a 2k elo duo q running Fiddle mid and Amumu jungle with great success several pages back. Honestly I think it might work if your Fiddle mid isn't too heavily counterpicked. I'm not sure how you'd skill him tho, cause his laning seems pretty weak against other APs to me. My guess is a combination of Q and E skilling , while more or less ignore W. Fiddle has sick gank assist with Q and E, but without W he doesn't really do damage so iunno. You can just max W and sustain pretty much everything. The problem with maxing W is that it’s a channeling spell, which means that whenever you try to use it, any good AP mid will be able to do tons of damage to you and also possibly interrupt your channel. Not only that, but W’s cooldown is pretty high until you get several levels in it and/or have blue. I don’t think it’s very mana efficient either iirc. You can't out dmg drain unless you have a cc. Most ap mid's don't have an on call CC that they can also save up for drain (ie they wouldn't be able to use it to CS or harass)
If they have a cc, then Fiddle's kinda screwed early on when drain cd is still quite long. Not to mention that Drain is costs quite a ton of mana and if Fiddle wants to fear+drain combo his opponent, he's going to go oom in like 3 combos. Fiddle also doesn't exactly have the best base mana pool/regen iirc.
Also, AP mids that don't have cc tend to have very strong pushing power, which Fiddle simply can't deal with at all. His pushing power is awful, which means it's very easy for the opposing AP mid to just shove lane and then steal your jungler's camps or go gank with little fear of retaliation from Fiddle.
I'm not saying that Fiddle can't do well. Just that in an isolated 1v1 lane situation I can't see Fiddle being able to dominate many lanes. Of course, with sufficient jungle support, Fiddle should be able to rock lanes pretty hard due to having like 5+ seconds of cc easily.
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