EPT[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 212
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
But i can't believe you guys don't think locket is worth it. the active is one of the most powerful actives in the game. Not as strong as reverie but i think it's certainly better as an active than randuin. ON janna i do fine with with mana manip over chalice, but i also run mana regen yellows. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:02 Slayer91 wrote: Apparently you completely ignore the chalice passive which is most of the reason you get it. I did say that you'd be with technically less mana regen yourself, but I feel like mana manip + mana regen from reverie might be near the sweet-spot of having just the amount of mana regen necessary (totally guessing here btw). On a lot of champions chalice's passive is totally overkill, so if you don't need excessive amounts of mana regen, then mana manip might be a bit more sensible. also, like I said earlier, you get more mana regen for other ppl, though I suppose the value of that is questionable/situational. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13955 Posts
Chalice passive is literally the most insane op item in lol right now. Get a dring and a chalice mid and there is no character that could possibly have a want for more mana. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I used to go E and I see the benefit of E, but I'm really liking W first. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:23 Sermokala wrote: chalice allows you to get crazy mana regen way more then a mana mip. It snowballs your mana regen into crazy amounts. With a philo stone that you should have you'll be able to spam spells like crazy. Chalice passive is literally the most insane op item in lol right now. Get a dring and a chalice mid and there is no character that could possibly have a want for more mana. the point I was trying to make is that it's irrelevant how 'crazy' your mana regen is if you don't actually need all of it. If you were to buy, say, an item that gives infinite amounts of mana for 1k gold, vs an item that gives you enough mana for your char to function as if it had infinite mana, but not infinite, for 500 gold, then which item would you get? It's not a perfect analogy, and it may not even be correct that janna would have enough mana regen with mana manip, but has anybody even considered it enough to suggest why it wouldn't be good enough? I know for a fact that I havn't even thought about mana manip as an item for several months. edit: @ above, it's kinda lane dependent whether or not you max E or W. Some ranged AD function super well with that extra bonus AD early on, so there's no way you would ever want to pass that up. On the other hand, maxing W first greatly ups your burst potential and can be really effective @ harassing. More often than not though, the safer bet is in E. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 30 2012 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: Pretty sure it wasn't Gizbro who carried at the Friendly Fire tourney. That was ALL bly pretty sure I only dropped one game at FF and that was a DK vs. Ganon where I taunted too early cause... well, I dunno... swag. On June 30 2012 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote: I <3 karma too. She's my best support no she's not. if you're playing karma as support, you could just be playing janna, doing exactly the same things, and be infinitely more useful to your team. karma's a lousy support. | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:24 JackDino wrote: Can people like, stop using the word snowball so much? Seriously. I know right? Like totally girlfriend, using the word snowball is so like, last week. Like, seriously! + Show Spoiler + I imagined you to be a brain dead 13 year old girl after reading your post. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:27 Slusher wrote: I've started going W first on Janna >.> I really like it. rank5 costs the same mana as lvl2 shield, good harass damage, more speed which is nice because of when you actually can afford shoes on support, and it sets up kills in lane better than shield. I used to go E and I see the benefit of E, but I'm really liking W first. I think that in general the shield is better for defending vs massive burst lane and also better for aggressive harrass by the AD. I guess W might be better if Janna herself is the one harrassing more than the AD but.... When does that happen? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:38 WirelessWaffle wrote: I know right? Like totally girlfriend, using the word snowball is so like, last week. Like, seriously! + Show Spoiler + I imagined you to be a brain dead 13 year old girl after reading your post. You mean, you snowballed my brain to be a 13year old snowballing girl. The word, and the use of it is simply retarded. Lol snowball meta xDDDDDD Like how the hell does mana even snowball. It's like, I had an amumu in my game and he just snowballed on the wraiths, got lvl4 and ganked. Only snowball is nunu. | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:43 JackDino wrote: You mean, you snowballed my brain to be a 13year old snowballing girl. The word, and the use of it is simply retarded. Lol snowball meta xDDDDDD needs more smileys and lols but it'll do.  | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:38 Mogwai wrote: pretty sure I only dropped one game at FF and that was a DK vs. Ganon where I taunted too early cause... well, I dunno... swag. no she's not. if you're playing karma as support, you could just be playing janna, doing exactly the same things, and be infinitely more useful to your team. karma's a lousy support. i wholeheartedly disagree. she doesn't play anything like janna bottom lane, except the both have shields. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:46 PrinceXizor wrote: i wholeheartedly disagree. she doesn't play anything like janna bottom lane, except the both have shields. Expanding upon this, Janna has much more CC and utility in general while Karma has more damage, with the best AoE heal in the game actually(non-ult). However I think that she does her job better as AP mid anyway. Actually, Janna sup + Karma mid might make for a wonderful pushing lineup. Karma would AoE heal everything, too. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:51 Slayer91 wrote: Karmas heal sucks ass until people gets lots of hp and you get lets of AP. What's a better non-ult AoE heal? Alistar's? Please. Also, how about the cases where Janna is banned? Oh yeah and please don't call Karma's heal an ult. otherwise I'll change my term to "long cd ult" | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
If the other team has Janna picked already, go right on, but I can't imagine wanting Karma OVER Janna. But that's not really surprising, Janna is the absolute #1 support currently. €: Karma's heal is overrated. As AP mid you'd rather hit more enemies than some guys on your team. It's very hard to make proper use of it during the teamfight, with people flashing around everywhere. It's really good in lategame poke situations, but Karma can't poke if she wants to heal, so eeeeeehhhh | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 30 2012 05:55 Dandel Ion wrote: Picking Karma over Janna (as support) is getting a slightly better laning phase for a massively less useful teamfighting phase. If the other team has Janna picked already, go right on, but I can't imagine wanting Karma OVER Janna. But that's not really surprising, Janna is the absolute #1 support currently. well you get a massively better laning phase against the short range ad carries (vayne graves corki) for instance. karma is also far better at pushing than janna is, so if your team leads more toward pushing (and thus delaying teamfights) then karma is a better choice in that situation as well. overall janna is the best support so i can't really say otherwise, but karma's niche she does better than janna in every way, which is fair to say since karma is a niche character like soraka has her own niche and janna is more of an all around utility support. | ||
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CaffeineFree-_-
United States712 Posts
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