[Role] Ranged AD - Page 2

On June 02 2012 00:07 brolaf wrote:

At pro level, most games are decided by 9.

On June 02 2012 04:34 jcc wrote:
Caitlyn + Taric used to be good, but i never see it run anymore and honestly there is no real synergy. Why run Cait Taric when you could do Graves Taric, Corki Taric, or Varus Taric. See what i mean? Cait has better synergy with the supports i put her with in my opinion. Of course this guide is mostly based on my play experience, so take it with some grain of salt .

On June 02 2012 04:34 jcc wrote:
Ezreal Sona used to be good imo, but its very mana intensive and most good bot lanes will destroy you once your mana reaches like 1/3, i've seen it attempted but it almost always falls through, i'll play test it some in practice though and see if its worth putting in again.

Another reason why is that most abilities (sivir's boomerang, caitlyn's Q, Ashe's volley) scale off of AD. The added AD does more than any arpen would for a lot of skills.

The Holy Trinity of AD: Infinity's Edge / Phantom Dancer / Last Whisper

urgot GA, BT, LW.

On June 02 2012 10:08 Ente wrote:

That is actually wrong thinking it is the other way around. If you have spells Armorpen gets better and if you have no physical spells ad gets better.

With the recent nerf to flat MR those are a bit better in my opinion its still mostly better to use flat.
I dont really see a reason to use 21/0/9 often the buff duration is not great imo and if you really want manaregen im pretty sure that using manaregen runes and go 21/9/0 is better (thats what I do atleast the little bit MR you get is not that important in my opinion) If I dont get heal I usually go for less minion damage aswell. That is actually a really good mastery. If im not against heavy magic damage in lane (for example trist sona would be such a lane)

Please use manaregen runes if you want the manaregen on urgot and get 9 points in defense (the hp is just so good esp cause you can get dominated lvl 1/2 which might lose you the lane)

I dont agree that is the most common build but I think its overrated and the lastwhisper can be replaced by phantom dancer in many situations(in some lw is obv better and for some1 like graves/trist, cause of the as/spells for graves its pretty much always better)
if you dont believe me do the maths the cutoff should be around 160 armor and if you get bt the cutoff is around 230 (depends on buffs/debuffs etc)

more for items you are correct with the finished item build but! (at least in europe) it is quite common to go bf -> zeal -> IE or zeal -> bf -> pd or bf -> zeal -> pd -> IE all depends on your money situation


I definetly disagree in saying that so onesided. Quite common items with Urgot are: BC, Warmogs, Frozen mallet, Randuin, Maw in addition to yours LW is actually not really good on Urgot because of the percentage armor reduction on his e (check the wiki for armor calculations)

for playstyle: with ashe you should say to either skill e at 2 or 4

im not sure how you rate the supports inbetween but I would say soraka is by far the best support for caitlyn

With kogmaw the usual build is w > e > q (maybe onepoint early on but not even that is mandatory)

For MF you max w > q > e personally I like to max w > e > q (obv 1 point early on in q ) because the laning phase is over when you start putting points in your q and in teamfights you will not cast it anyways but thats preference
I would definetly rate taric way higher for mf (you didnt even mention him but im maybe a bit weird that I would always prefer taric over ali I know that ali is really high rated in us)

for Sivir you should add that you should keep 75 mana for your e

ah your urgot post was really bad you can get 3 qs in one e all the time when you get above 25% cdr (I actually dont know it 100% how much but glacial/brutalizer is enough) you can get 4 in nothing with 1 or 2.
You should add that Urgots ultimate gives him huge amounts of MR and armor.
I think that blitzcrank and ali are not that great with Urgot janna is way better then both of these (huge amount of ad + ms buff) should add leona aswell way better then ali.

For Varus I would think that e>w>q is better because maxing e reduces the cooldown by quite a lot. But I might be wrong here cause I dont play him that much.

I dont agree with vayne beeing the best ad carry lategame in my opinion full itemized Tristana/ashe are better then vayne. Corki and Kogmaw(only 50% uptime on his w hurts his real lategame a little bit) can compete (the truedmg is actually pretty much the same) Vaynes true strength is her midgame where the gifted AD trough the ultimate truley shines.


I think overall the guide is okay but not that great.
Im currently the ad carry for Millenium, im not saying that to impress anyone, I just say that so you understand that I know what im talking about and that im not someone who just talks without knowing much about that.


edit: some people ask when to get this when to get that. I know if you are knew its nice to have some kind of guideline (I have this problem when I play dota atm ) but at least for me and im pretty sure thats the case for most ad players it always depends on your money situation. I want to get my Phantomdancer, I want to get my Infinity and in between I want to get farm in lane without dying. So I get 1-2 dorans (I think 0 dorans is really bad) 0-1 vamp scepter(sometimes this just isnt needed) as boots (yes I think you should most of the time get them during laningphase).
After that I get the items for IE and PD. One thing which I need to "learn" or do better is to get the cloak of agility when I have bf sword and a zeal so I can either get PD or IE depending how much money I have when I have to recall.

Usually (at least at higher levels of play) there is not a situation where you want to recall. There are situations where you have to recall to keep up with your laningopponent to get ready for drake/baron/pushing etc etc.