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On May 05 2012 21:57 Darkfirex5 wrote:
I'm curious, how does the deathfire change (nerf) affect veigar? Is he still very bursty without the full damage from deathfire from before? I've been building him boots 3 2dring then deathfire then rab. Will deathfire nerf really change the playing of veigar?
The loss of mana regen on DFG was huge, in my opinion. I never really felt that Doran's Ring was an essential item on him before, but I think you have too many mana issues without it now.
The damage reduction on DFG seems rather minimal. May mean that bruisers and tanky junglers are slightly harder to kill without Void, but, I can't imagine that it makes too much difference.
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On May 05 2012 22:08 Sicariidae wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 21:57 Darkfirex5 wrote:
I'm curious, how does the deathfire change (nerf) affect veigar? Is he still very bursty without the full damage from deathfire from before? I've been building him boots 3 2dring then deathfire then rab. Will deathfire nerf really change the playing of veigar? The loss of mana regen on DFG was huge, in my opinion. I never really felt that Doran's Ring was an essential item on him before, but I think you have too many mana issues without it now. The damage reduction on DFG seems rather minimal. May mean that bruisers and tanky junglers are slightly harder to kill without Void, but, I can't imagine that it makes too much difference.
I feel doran's have always been a necessity for veigar in a lot of matchups. The thing is, 2x dorans ring is on a whole different powerlevel then a kage's lucky pick, and smart opposing mids will abuse their item power advantage to zone/kill you. Especially against other burst casters the hp buffer is needed in order to not get 100-0'd.
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I've ignore this problem for long enough. One of the reason I cant reach anywhere above 1600 is because I suck at last hit. So please TL, tell me your tips on how to last hit esp with AP and top laner. I can CS ok with AD carry but thats it. Sometime I play AP mid and have like 100cs in 20mins which is bad I think.
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On May 05 2012 23:01 Caphe wrote:
I've ignore this problem for long enough. One of the reason I cant reach anywhere above 1600 is because I suck at last hit. So please TL, tell me your tips on how to last hit esp with AP and top laner. I can CS ok with AD carry but thats it. Sometime I play AP mid and have like 100cs in 20mins which is bad I think.
Go to a custom game and practise, practise, practise. Really the main way to do it. Some tips when practising though.
- If you're having trouble eye-balling when something is in last hit range, left click on the minion to see it's current hp. Use this as an indicator. Eventually you'll be able to feel when something is last hittable.
- If you use Offence Mastery Tree, get the AD over the AP. The AP is pretty negligible.
- Know how many autos it takes to kill a minion under tower. 70-ish AD is about the sweet spot to be able to one shot caster minions after a single tower hit for the first 4 waves iirc.
- If you keep missing right clicks on minions due to ping, use A-Left Click or attack move. Helps a lot.
- Practise.
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On May 05 2012 22:27 Schwopzi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 22:08 Sicariidae wrote:On May 05 2012 21:57 Darkfirex5 wrote:
I'm curious, how does the deathfire change (nerf) affect veigar? Is he still very bursty without the full damage from deathfire from before? I've been building him boots 3 2dring then deathfire then rab. Will deathfire nerf really change the playing of veigar? The loss of mana regen on DFG was huge, in my opinion. I never really felt that Doran's Ring was an essential item on him before, but I think you have too many mana issues without it now. The damage reduction on DFG seems rather minimal. May mean that bruisers and tanky junglers are slightly harder to kill without Void, but, I can't imagine that it makes too much difference. I feel doran's have always been a necessity for veigar in a lot of matchups. The thing is, 2x dorans ring is on a whole different powerlevel then a kage's lucky pick, and smart opposing mids will abuse their item power advantage to zone/kill you. Especially against other burst casters the hp buffer is needed in order to not get 100-0'd.
Why would you buy the Kage first as Veigar?
It was always the Codex first anyway.
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On May 05 2012 23:27 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 22:27 Schwopzi wrote:On May 05 2012 22:08 Sicariidae wrote:On May 05 2012 21:57 Darkfirex5 wrote:
I'm curious, how does the deathfire change (nerf) affect veigar? Is he still very bursty without the full damage from deathfire from before? I've been building him boots 3 2dring then deathfire then rab. Will deathfire nerf really change the playing of veigar? The loss of mana regen on DFG was huge, in my opinion. I never really felt that Doran's Ring was an essential item on him before, but I think you have too many mana issues without it now. The damage reduction on DFG seems rather minimal. May mean that bruisers and tanky junglers are slightly harder to kill without Void, but, I can't imagine that it makes too much difference. I feel doran's have always been a necessity for veigar in a lot of matchups. The thing is, 2x dorans ring is on a whole different powerlevel then a kage's lucky pick, and smart opposing mids will abuse their item power advantage to zone/kill you. Especially against other burst casters the hp buffer is needed in order to not get 100-0'd. Why would you buy the Kage first as Veigar? It was always the Codex first anyway.
happy birthday theyango.
but still, kage for $$$
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OK, I just bought Malzahar, because nobody plays him and all the fun AD malz shenanigans
I do not understand this champ played AP. What do I do in lane? I have the silencing thing which is pretty bad to land and guides say max last....I have the pool which nobody is going to stand in so its basically useless in lane, and my DOT, which is cool but really tiny range.
I played like 3 games and the only thing I could figure was that he is just a walking 100-0 ultimate. The only thing I can do in lane is farm minions and hope they stand too close to them, no decent player gets close enough to put the DOT on them without doing horrible things to me and still probably staying out of range.
The only thing I feel like I can do is flash in and full combo people....is that really what this champ is?
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On May 05 2012 21:24 Abenson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 21:19 Sufficiency wrote:On May 05 2012 21:04 stormtemplar wrote:On May 05 2012 19:36 iCanada wrote:On May 05 2012 19:33 sob3k wrote:On May 05 2012 19:32 iCanada wrote:
Dude...
Froggen is like stupidly good at AD carries... I knew his Anivia was kick ass, but damn.
13-2-4 in 28 minute game. Also led game in farm by a solid 80 CS. If you can CS with Anivia you can CS with anyone. I dunno, farming on icebird pretty easy. Press R, then Q, suddenly whole wave gone. That being said, yeah, Froggen OP. Farming on bird before 6 is one of the most evil things in LoL. Her animation is so bad it's not even funny. If you can CS with anivia, you can CS with anyone How does it compare to Soraka's banana? Anivia does this weird flip before shooting out the snowflake, which is stupidly hard compared to soraka waving her magic wand.
Farming with Cassi auto attack is really fucking annoying tbh, luckily you never have to.
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On May 06 2012 00:14 sob3k wrote:
OK, I just bought Malzahar, because nobody plays him and all the fun AD malz shenanigans
I do not understand this champ played AP. What do I do in lane? I have the silencing thing which is pretty bad to land and guides say max last....I have the pool which nobody is going to stand in so its basically useless in lane, and my DOT, which is cool but really tiny range.
I played like 3 games and the only thing I could figure was that he is just a walking 100-0 ultimate. The only thing I can do in lane is farm minions and hope they stand too close to them, no decent player gets close enough to put the DOT on them without doing horrible things to me and still probably staying out of range.
The only thing I feel like I can do is flash in and full combo people....is that really what this champ is?
You can push waves like a madman, that's your first advantage in lane. Space aids jumping from minion to the other guy is free harass. Q range is really long if you think you can nail the hit to harass. Puddle, well yea no one's gonna stand in there just for the hell of it, but put that down and ult a tank on it and they melt since it's % based damage. In teamfights, people are probably too busy to worry about standing in a dot pool, so it ends up doing considerable damage more often than not.
The thing with malz is, your ult is quite sweet at picking people, you can easily blow up the tank too if you get him ulted in the puddle, something not many APs are able to do and you'll still have an aoe silence left.
Pretty big downside ofc is that during your ult you are immobile as well, so positioning and picking the right target at the right moment can be difficult.
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On May 06 2012 00:14 sob3k wrote:
OK, I just bought Malzahar, because nobody plays him and all the fun AD malz shenanigans
I do not understand this champ played AP. What do I do in lane? I have the silencing thing which is pretty bad to land and guides say max last....I have the pool which nobody is going to stand in so its basically useless in lane, and my DOT, which is cool but really tiny range.
I played like 3 games and the only thing I could figure was that he is just a walking 100-0 ultimate. The only thing I can do in lane is farm minions and hope they stand too close to them, no decent player gets close enough to put the DOT on them without doing horrible things to me and still probably staying out of range.
The only thing I feel like I can do is flash in and full combo people....is that really what this champ is?
Yep， farm with E and get ganked  Do a full combo and thats it. QSS>Malz
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Malz+Ashe team > QSS.
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On May 05 2012 16:37 Deltablazy wrote:
What champ can bcounter the new kayle top, or atleast outsustain her enough to farm.
Nid comes to mind but I never played her. Anything else?
You can't outsustain her damage. At level 9 her E adds 60+.4AD magic damage. It's easy to have 100 AD with 21/9/0 and a phage or wriggles. That means she hits you for 200 per hit.
Get anyone with a gap closer.
Bait her flame sword. Wait 8 seconds. Jump on her. She can fight you for 2 seconds before her flame sword wears off and she has 6 seconds where her only advantage in a fight against you is minions.
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K, so I've got a pile of friend requests sitting in my box, and I'd like to clear them out. If you are one of these, lemme know:
heheimowing
Broastbeef
link47338
1gDay
Giggz11
troublesome23
LeNoX ZnC
xUnveiledx
aRyuujin
Haasts
RCuadros
Just wanna clear out my box, but don't want to leave TL members hangin.
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On May 06 2012 01:14 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Opinions on Dfg on kat?
i feel like it would only be really helpful vs extremely tanky comps otherwise it would only be better than deathcap for that awkward moment where you need 1140g and you are sitting on an NLR + blasting wand
if they have squishies i feel like it would be a lot better to get the death cap asap
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On May 06 2012 01:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
K, so I've got a pile of friend requests sitting in my box, and I'd like to clear them out. If you are one of these, lemme know:
heheimowing
Broastbeef
link47338
1gDay
Giggz11
troublesome23
LeNoX ZnC
xUnveiledx
aRyuujin
Haasts
RCuadros
Just wanna clear out my box, but don't want to leave TL members hangin.
Just accept all of them and dump them in a folder called "WHO ARE YOU"
Shameless promotion to let them spectate you.
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On May 06 2012 01:49 Soloside wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
K, so I've got a pile of friend requests sitting in my box, and I'd like to clear them out. If you are one of these, lemme know:
heheimowing
Broastbeef
link47338
1gDay
Giggz11
troublesome23
LeNoX ZnC
xUnveiledx
aRyuujin
Haasts
RCuadros
Just wanna clear out my box, but don't want to leave TL members hangin. Just accept all of them and dump them in a folder called "WHO ARE YOU" Shameless promotion to let them spectate you.
One thing that annoys me a crapton is when someone friends me after a game and then the next day they message me saying "WHO ARE YOU". I mean, seriously, I'm on your friends list because you sent me a bloody request, if you can't keep track of who I am stop sending so many requests!
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forggen onhitting full tank mundo zzzzz
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On May 06 2012 02:22 emraaa wrote:
forggen onhitting full tank mundo zzzzz
Demonstrating that DFG "nerf" is no problem for Veigar.
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