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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 04 2012 12:20 GMT
#861
On May 04 2012 21:12 cascades wrote:
Let it be possible to immediately see who's playing in spec mode instead of constant rotation.

Yeah, like anyone is going to just say "oh I like these 10 champions I'm going to watch them" instead of "let's see if anyone good is playing."
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
May 04 2012 12:23 GMT
#862
oh the new ezreal skin is on sale
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1018 Posts
May 04 2012 12:23 GMT
#863
On May 04 2012 18:51 napo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:35 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:46 napo wrote:
On May 04 2012 14:23 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
can i get some clarification on those hacks.

1. do they only reveal 'known' information? like, will the ward placement only be shown if you actually saw the ward being placed?

2. do you have a source on the okaying from tencent?

3. are they allowed in tournaments?

thanks!

We had a discussion about it yesterday in LP on EUW. Managed to figure out that when you use a spell or place a ward some kind of global sound is emitted. The 3rd party program detects this and shows on the map where the ward was placed/where the spell was used. It also has timers for buffs, but only for the ones that you had vision of getting killed. Calling auto ss/re, showing range of enemy champs/towers, infinite zoom out are also some of it's features. And God knows what else.

Some pics found with a simple search on google:

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[image loading]


oh right i think moonbear mentioned that before. that wards placements are 'global' variables due to needing to be able to hear wards placed through fog. the 'hack' probably exploits that. if that's the case i'm doubtful that tencent actually okay-ed it.

Don't know what tencent is, but its sure these things aren't legal as you get information, what you shouldn't be able to get.


Tencent is a huge Chinese company which owns QQ messenger -a very popular Chinese Instant Messaging programme, which everyone uses. They also own Riot Games, so I guess if they want to allow some hacks there's not much Riot can do.

I play on the China server and most games someone has the buff timer thing - it will post into chat the time, but more usefully ping the map just before a buff comes back up, so you have time to get in position. I've only really noticed it for blue and red buffs though.

Another external program I've seen a few times (but not as common), tells you each players ranking during champion select. 1 version gives wins/losses, and another has some number, which looks like an alternate ELO (in a 1400 ranked game people had between 3200-4500 of this number).
It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 13:28:30
May 04 2012 13:26 GMT
#864
Sigh...I didn't like moletrap's casting in bw, didn't like him in sc2 GSL, and it's hard to listen to him now in the OGN tournament. I'm not talking about whether or not I like his casting style, but specifically annoyed by his game knowledge. I just don't understand - if you cast professionally, why wouldn't you at least learn about the game you're casting?

I understand that balance changes and the huge number of matchups makes it difficult to keep up (i.e. Kennen vs Jarvan top lane changes entirely when Kennen went AD), but if you cast PROFESSIONALLY that's kind of your job...

It was the same way in bw and sc2, both games with much more resources available to help casters learn and improve, so it's not even about LoL's lack of caster-friendly tools.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
May 04 2012 14:26 GMT
#865
That's why (if I do watch) I use the Korean commentary VoDs.
twitch.tv/cratonz
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 04 2012 14:38 GMT
#866
On May 04 2012 21:23 Chexx wrote:
oh the new ezreal skin is on sale


which one?oO
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 04 2012 15:09 GMT
#867
On May 04 2012 14:07 Requizen wrote:
Smash, I don't mean to *spectate* creep, but it's easy when you're featured

Corki just raped that teamfight.

you can spectate creep all you want. I'm glad people can watch me without me having to stream when I don't feel like talking about what I'm doing.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 04 2012 15:14 GMT
#868
You can steam when you don't feel like talking about what you're doing. Honest, we don't mind.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 04 2012 15:20 GMT
#869
We don't, but maybe some viewers do, whom (? is it correct?) he is talking about.
One thing I find is lacking, especially when you're spectating friends doing a custom or stuff in that vein, is that you can't read team chat. Sure, that way you don't see all the raging (and no "/w pal51 man, dude37 is dissing you so hard in team chat"), but I'd find it interesting to see how communication goes, be it during scrims that get into featured games, or just seeing how that super manner friend of yours is doing in soloQ.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 04 2012 15:23 GMT
#870
Yeah, I enjoy reading the rage. It's hilarious to me.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
May 04 2012 15:33 GMT
#871
On May 05 2012 00:20 Alaric wrote:
We don't, but maybe some viewers do, whom (? is it correct?) he is talking about.
One thing I find is lacking, especially when you're spectating friends doing a custom or stuff in that vein, is that you can't read team chat. Sure, that way you don't see all the raging (and no "/w pal51 man, dude37 is dissing you so hard in team chat"), but I'd find it interesting to see how communication goes, be it during scrims that get into featured games, or just seeing how that super manner friend of yours is doing in soloQ.


You can. Click on the eye icon in the lower left corner of the interface and enable chat.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 04 2012 15:41 GMT
#872
On May 04 2012 21:23 Tal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:51 napo wrote:
On May 04 2012 18:35 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:46 napo wrote:
On May 04 2012 14:23 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
can i get some clarification on those hacks.

1. do they only reveal 'known' information? like, will the ward placement only be shown if you actually saw the ward being placed?

2. do you have a source on the okaying from tencent?

3. are they allowed in tournaments?

thanks!

We had a discussion about it yesterday in LP on EUW. Managed to figure out that when you use a spell or place a ward some kind of global sound is emitted. The 3rd party program detects this and shows on the map where the ward was placed/where the spell was used. It also has timers for buffs, but only for the ones that you had vision of getting killed. Calling auto ss/re, showing range of enemy champs/towers, infinite zoom out are also some of it's features. And God knows what else.

Some pics found with a simple search on google:

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]


oh right i think moonbear mentioned that before. that wards placements are 'global' variables due to needing to be able to hear wards placed through fog. the 'hack' probably exploits that. if that's the case i'm doubtful that tencent actually okay-ed it.

Don't know what tencent is, but its sure these things aren't legal as you get information, what you shouldn't be able to get.


Tencent is a huge Chinese company which owns QQ messenger -a very popular Chinese Instant Messaging programme, which everyone uses. They also own Riot Games, so I guess if they want to allow some hacks there's not much Riot can do.

I play on the China server and most games someone has the buff timer thing - it will post into chat the time, but more usefully ping the map just before a buff comes back up, so you have time to get in position. I've only really noticed it for blue and red buffs though.

Another external program I've seen a few times (but not as common), tells you each players ranking during champion select. 1 version gives wins/losses, and another has some number, which looks like an alternate ELO (in a 1400 ranked game people had between 3200-4500 of this number).


Wow, that sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 04 2012 15:44 GMT
#873
On May 05 2012 00:33 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 00:20 Alaric wrote:
We don't, but maybe some viewers do, whom (? is it correct?) he is talking about.
One thing I find is lacking, especially when you're spectating friends doing a custom or stuff in that vein, is that you can't read team chat. Sure, that way you don't see all the raging (and no "/w pal51 man, dude37 is dissing you so hard in team chat"), but I'd find it interesting to see how communication goes, be it during scrims that get into featured games, or just seeing how that super manner friend of yours is doing in soloQ.


You can. Click on the eye icon in the lower left corner of the interface and enable chat.


Only shows all chat and items bought/if someone goes legendary or gets a triple kill. Doesn't show any "ally chat."
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:40:17
May 04 2012 15:54 GMT
#874
wait, those cheats are allowed? If that is true i might have to stop playing.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:16:14
May 04 2012 15:55 GMT
#875
On May 04 2012 23:38 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:23 Chexx wrote:
oh the new ezreal skin is on sale


which one?oO

Curious about this aswell lol.
He probs meant urfrider corki, only thing that makes sense to me.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 04 2012 15:57 GMT
#876
So. My brother is like ~ 16 and he didn't know about the /all chat being disabled. But as I watched what he was doing, I realized (remembered) that /all is not the problem. People don't care about being trash talked or BM'd by the other team, the real problem is when your own team starts to QQ hard when things go poorly.

Ex: This terrible Kass was just dying over and over to a morgana in midlane, and his own team was just relentless. Sure, he was terrible, no doubt, but it wasn't the Morgana going ^.^ after her 5th kill of him that was bad, it was his team raging and afking.
Freeeeeeedom
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
May 04 2012 16:10 GMT
#877
Couldn't find an Urgot thread so I'm gonna post this here.

So I bought Urgot and I've been trying him out in normals (2k elo in ranked, see a lot of good players in normals too tho). He seems ridiculous early game with his lock-on acid hunter spam to zone out his opponents (I really like Soraka so I can go 9 in defense and still spam spells). He's then good mid game at catching people and being tanky in team fights. Then it gets to the point when it's late game and I have a brutalizer, frozen heart, merc treads, GA and a couple dorans... and I do NO damage. Our team stays alive for a long time but eventually lose if we can't focus their AD carry down quickly.

Are there any alternate builds to this one so I can be more of a presence late game but still be tanky enough to swap in the middle of their team? I was thinking maybe going BT after glacial or after I finish FH. Also, what's Urgot's ideal 6 item build late game? I've been doing Mercs/FrozenHeart/GA/Maw/BT/LW (sell brutalizer to get LW) but without any attack speed my autos aren't very effective. So much Q spam in between auto attacks though I guess attack speed doesn't make much sense for him. Is there another core item I should be getting over any of those six? Maybe sell mercs and get PD?
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:20:01
May 04 2012 16:11 GMT
#878
I always report the asshole on my team who is telling the other team to report x for y, or telling the guy to uninstall. I mean why not give the kid advice instead of saying stuff like "team too heavy" in all chat.

Edit: Urgot does pretty good when you get an early BT, Triforce is pretty good as you shouldn't have problems keeping sheen procs going, phages slow isn't as good on him as it is some one like ez or corki becasue of his built in slow but the added health is and the movement speed from zeal is useful for kiting/chasing with acid hunter lock-ons as well. Personally I like manamune because of the synergy with fh/bv, but people say its out classed.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
May 04 2012 16:12 GMT
#879
On May 05 2012 00:55 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 23:38 AsnSensation wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:23 Chexx wrote:
oh the new ezreal skin is on sale


which one?oO

Curious about this aswell lol.


Nope. On NA only explorer and frosted Ez are available.

In other words. NO PULSEFIRE EZREAL
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:17:16
May 04 2012 16:14 GMT
#880
Sometimes you do, you spam the "be careful please", "we need you here", "play safer top, mid got his blue so jungler near", you buy wards for them, you buy oracles for them, and they still ignore you and fuck up.
Well, the heaviest thing in those cases is my sigh, but I often end up reporting people for lack of communication when they tend to go rambo or get caught in their jungle 1v5 on top of ignoring us.


Also, Urgot is some kind of a hybrid bruiser and AD caster. That's why you'd max cdr on him if you can (or close, I believe I've seen discussions here stating 34-35% is enough?) and spam Q + abuse his passive (-15% damage is so good lategame) to neutralize their sources of damage.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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