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On May 16 2012 00:34 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense... No idea what chu8's Maokai is. Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP. I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far. Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play. Voy Lee Sin. That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds?
HotShot has this ridiculous obsession with the combination of Tabi and Eleisa's Miracle, not sure about Voyboy.
About Maokai, chu builds something like 2 Doran's into RoA into Triforce (into FH, I think), but that's just a legit lane Mao build. I've tried building pure AP on the Tree, but you just get blown up after W'ing, so I wouldn't consider that trolling
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You make it sound as if Egg was a bad thing for Anivia. Damnit, 5 second stun before I revive for free.
For a passive, Egg is incredibly strong.
On May 16 2012 00:57 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 00:34 spinesheath wrote:On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense... No idea what chu8's Maokai is. On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP. I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far. Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play. Voy Lee Sin. That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds? HotShot has this ridiculous obsession to the combination of Tabi and Eleisa's Miracle, not sure about Voyboy. About Maokai, he builds something like 2 Doran's into RoA into Triforce (into FH, I think), but that's just a legit lane Mao build. I've tried building pure AP on the Tree, but you just get blown up after W'ing, so I wouldn't consider that trolling
That's not even remotely comparable to Mallet/Leviathan/SotO/... on Anivia. I wouldn't even consider Triforce weird at all.
Tabi + Miracle certainly isn't bad. He usually starts out with a Philo so he wants to build it into something at some point. And if he goes Miracle, he can get Tabi - a strong item for someone who is inevitably going to take mostly autoattack damage.
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On May 16 2012 00:58 spinesheath wrote:You make it sound as if Egg was a bad thing for Anivia. Damnit, 5 second stun before I revive for free. For a passive, Egg is incredibly strong. Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 00:57 Shiv. wrote:On May 16 2012 00:34 spinesheath wrote:On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense... No idea what chu8's Maokai is. On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP. I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far. Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play. Voy Lee Sin. That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds? HotShot has this ridiculous obsession to the combination of Tabi and Eleisa's Miracle, not sure about Voyboy. About Maokai, he builds something like 2 Doran's into RoA into Triforce (into FH, I think), but that's just a legit lane Mao build. I've tried building pure AP on the Tree, but you just get blown up after W'ing, so I wouldn't consider that trolling That's not even remotely comparable to Mallet/Leviathan/SotO/... on Anivia. I wouldn't even consider Triforce weird at all. Tabi + Miracle certainly isn't bad. He usually starts out with a Philo so he wants to build it into something at some point. And if he goes Miracle, he can get Tabi - a strong item for someone who is inevitably going to take mostly autoattack damage.
It is not exactly comparable - I was just trying to answer the questions asked.
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On May 16 2012 00:57 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 00:34 spinesheath wrote:On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense... No idea what chu8's Maokai is. On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP. I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far. Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play. Voy Lee Sin. That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds? HotShot has this ridiculous obsession with the combination of Tabi and Eleisa's Miracle, not sure about Voyboy. About Maokai, chu builds something like 2 Doran's into RoA into Triforce (into FH, I think), but that's just a legit lane Mao build. I've tried building pure AP on the Tree, but you just get blown up after W'ing, so I wouldn't consider that trolling
I think the reason for that, is the fact that tabi is freaking godlike boots in lane vs ad and philo/hog is pretty standard for cho as he doesn't need sustain for his lane, and will most likely just afk-farm. Philo builds into Eleisa's so yeah..
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After playing Monk all night in D3 I've decided I need to pick up Lee Sin. If jumping around like a madman and kicking fools across the screen is half as satisfying in LoL I will be very happy.
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It it just me or does Kayle have the capability of being stupid strong in a 1v1 lane? Every time I see a good one top (or bot in Dominion), she just does so well.
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lol, PhantomLord is playing monk right now on stream actually. They just fought Belial and holy fuck that was epic shit. "lol i'm an easy boss JUST KIDDING MOTHER FUCKER *destiny dies 4 times*"
So ya I take that back, D3 looks awesome lolol.
edit: Kayle always been good just ever since they remade her they made her a lot shittier than she once was =(
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Tonight I'm going to ask my bro if D3 is good. He'll probably just laugh. I might never get him to play LoL with me again.
And yeah I miss old kayle... I even miss her old auto attack animations. The way she swings her sword now looks like she's *not* trying to hurt people.
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On May 16 2012 01:13 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 00:57 Shiv. wrote:On May 16 2012 00:34 spinesheath wrote:On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense... No idea what chu8's Maokai is. On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP. I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far. Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play. Voy Lee Sin. That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds? HotShot has this ridiculous obsession with the combination of Tabi and Eleisa's Miracle, not sure about Voyboy. About Maokai, chu builds something like 2 Doran's into RoA into Triforce (into FH, I think), but that's just a legit lane Mao build. I've tried building pure AP on the Tree, but you just get blown up after W'ing, so I wouldn't consider that trolling I think the reason for that, is the fact that tabi is freaking godlike boots in lane vs ad and philo/hog is pretty standard for cho as he doesn't need sustain for his lane, and will most likely just afk-farm. Philo builds into Eleisa's so yeah..
I'd much rather have Shurelya's in 99% of the scenarios, though. CDR and HP are awesome, the active is even MORE awesome and even though I might get a lot of hate for that, I just think after Cho used his Rupture and silence, he doesn't really care all that much wether he's CC'd or not. Then again, I don't play Cho.
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Phantom Dancer
Movement Speed reduced to 12%, from 15%.
Zeal
Movement Speed reduced to 6%, from 8%.
Athene's Unholy Grail
Item Cost - 2950
Recipe Cost - 500
Components - Fiendish Codex, Amplifying Tome, Chalice of Harmony
Stats - +80 Ability Power, +40 Magic Resist, +15 MP5, +15% Cooldown Reduction, Passive: Restores 12% of your max Mana on Kill or Assist, UNIQUE Passive: Increases your Mana Regen by 1% per 1% Mana you are missing. Does not stack with Chalice of Harmony.
Dr. Mundo
Sadism - Maximum Health regenerated reduced to 40/50/60%, from 40/55/70%.
Hecarim
Rampage - Damage to minions increased to 66%, from 50%.
Lulu
Glitterlance - Damage and ability power ratio reduced to 80/125/170/215/260 (+0.5), from 80/130/180/230/280 (+0.6).
Malphite
Health increased to 513 (+90 per level), from 505 (+82 per level).
So if I'm reading this properly, PD and Zeal are getting hit, but Triforce is going to stay the same? The balance changes look pretty reasonable to me as well.
On May 16 2012 02:13 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 01:13 Sponkz wrote:On May 16 2012 00:57 Shiv. wrote:On May 16 2012 00:34 spinesheath wrote:On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense... No idea what chu8's Maokai is. On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP. I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far. Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play. Voy Lee Sin. That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds? HotShot has this ridiculous obsession with the combination of Tabi and Eleisa's Miracle, not sure about Voyboy. About Maokai, chu builds something like 2 Doran's into RoA into Triforce (into FH, I think), but that's just a legit lane Mao build. I've tried building pure AP on the Tree, but you just get blown up after W'ing, so I wouldn't consider that trolling I think the reason for that, is the fact that tabi is freaking godlike boots in lane vs ad and philo/hog is pretty standard for cho as he doesn't need sustain for his lane, and will most likely just afk-farm. Philo builds into Eleisa's so yeah.. I'd much rather have Shurelya's in 99% of the scenarios, though. CDR and HP are awesome, the active is even MORE awesome and even though I might get a lot of hate for that, I just think after Cho used his Rupture and silence, he doesn't really care all that much wether he's CC'd or not. Then again, I don't play Cho.
There is no reason you can't go Philo, Tabi, Eliza's, Philo, Reverie.
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i dunno where the malph tweak came from. I never got the impression that he was particularly underplayed.
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My guess is that they want to put him more in line with Nautilus. He is rather easy to pop as it is compared to many other tanks such as Shen, Naut and Udyr.
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+8 hp per level isn't going to make him suddenly super popular all of the sudden, hes a situational pick for top or jungle
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That Hecarim buff looks quite intriguing. May pick him up as my next jungler to learn.
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On May 16 2012 02:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
+8 hp per level isn't going to make him suddenly super popular all of the sudden, hes a situational pick for top or jungle
i suspect most, if not all, cosmetic changes have the goal of either making a particular champion more used or to pacify angry players.
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Hecarim buff? Lol, inc Monte domination
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On May 16 2012 02:16 Sabin010 wrote:
There is no reason you can't go Philo, Tabi, Eliza's, Philo, Reverie.
There's a ton of reasons not to do it, though.
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On May 16 2012 02:16 Sabin010 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 02:13 Shiv. wrote:On May 16 2012 01:13 Sponkz wrote:On May 16 2012 00:57 Shiv. wrote:On May 16 2012 00:34 spinesheath wrote:On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense... No idea what chu8's Maokai is. On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP. I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far. Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play. Voy Lee Sin. That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds? HotShot has this ridiculous obsession with the combination of Tabi and Eleisa's Miracle, not sure about Voyboy. About Maokai, chu builds something like 2 Doran's into RoA into Triforce (into FH, I think), but that's just a legit lane Mao build. I've tried building pure AP on the Tree, but you just get blown up after W'ing, so I wouldn't consider that trolling I think the reason for that, is the fact that tabi is freaking godlike boots in lane vs ad and philo/hog is pretty standard for cho as he doesn't need sustain for his lane, and will most likely just afk-farm. Philo builds into Eleisa's so yeah.. I'd much rather have Shurelya's in 99% of the scenarios, though. CDR and HP are awesome, the active is even MORE awesome and even though I might get a lot of hate for that, I just think after Cho used his Rupture and silence, he doesn't really care all that much wether he's CC'd or not. Then again, I don't play Cho. There is no reason you can't go Philo, Tabi, Eliza's, Philo, Reverie.
I can't imagine that spending 3500g on regen items is a good idea on cho :/
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honestly when I play cho top lane, his passive is enough sustain for me.
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