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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
May 15 2012 14:03 GMT
#3281
On May 15 2012 21:26 OutlaW- wrote:
Either people in normals suck balls or nautilus is seriously overpowered



i rock with him as a support love that dude
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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 14:07:37
May 15 2012 14:03 GMT
#3282
His builds remind me of some of my low level friends who can faux theory-craft themselves into buying anything, like FM on Ashe ("It synergizes with her Q. You build Spellvamp on Vlad, why not FM on her? I win all my games with it"). For all we know, he's doing the exact same thing but getting away with it at top ELO rather than level 15 games.
Zoesan
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland141 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 14:04:32
May 15 2012 14:04 GMT
#3283
I personally find him stronger in a jungle role. He gets counterjungled easily - which can be prevented by a good team-, but his ganks are completely insane. A hook, a knockup, a slow and a snare?

Holy shit!
Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 15 2012 14:18 GMT
#3284
And when you want to kill him, he stares at you straight in the eye, waving his anchor menacingly, and then turns around and throws it to a faraway wall to escape you with a big "NOPE".
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 15 2012 14:19 GMT
#3285
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 14:22:51
May 15 2012 14:21 GMT
#3286
On May 15 2012 23:03 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 21:26 OutlaW- wrote:
Either people in normals suck balls or nautilus is seriously overpowered



i rock with him as a support love that dude

Did you play a game as Leona today and totally carried with Corki bot?
Sorry for OT, maybe to contribute something:

Nautilus is sort of like a combination of Warwick, Sejuani and Leona, as in he has ridiculous amounts of CC and post 6, there's no reason NOT to get a kill at almost any given point in time if his ultimate is up.
currently rooting for myself.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 14:28:29
May 15 2012 14:27 GMT
#3287
On May 15 2012 23:21 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:03 Chexx wrote:
On May 15 2012 21:26 OutlaW- wrote:
Either people in normals suck balls or nautilus is seriously overpowered



i rock with him as a support love that dude

Did you play a game as Leona today and totally carried with Corki bot?
Sorry for OT, maybe to contribute something:

Nautilus is sort of like a combination of Warwick, Sejuani and Leona, as in he has ridiculous amounts of CC and post 6, there's no reason NOT to get a kill at almost any given point in time if his ultimate is up.



nope today i only played nautilus. I play on the korean server only.
nautilus played as a support can still kill ad carries, if you could deny their farm a little
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 15 2012 14:36 GMT
#3288
On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP.


I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far.
KCCO!
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 15 2012 14:41 GMT
#3289
On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP.


I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far.

Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 14:55:57
May 15 2012 14:54 GMT
#3290
On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP.


I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far.

Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play.

Anivia's control in the jungle lategame is so sick too.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 15:24:46
May 15 2012 15:17 GMT
#3291
Look at what Anivia has.

1:1 scaling on an aoe stun (if you can get the double hit)
1:1 scaling on a point and click nuke (if you can link it with something else)
20% aoe attackspeed debuff/ .25 scaling dot.
a unique form of zone control (Riot has said they will never release anything else like it due to potential trolling)
A GA passive that restores 100% of health on death. Compared to the flat 750 from GA.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 15:28:52
May 15 2012 15:25 GMT
#3292
On May 16 2012 00:17 Sabin010 wrote:
Look at what Anivia has.

1:1 scaling on an aoe stun (if you can get the double hit)
1:1 scaling on a point and click nuke (if you can link it with something else)
20% aoe attackspeed debuff/ .25 scaling dot.
a unique form of zone control (Riot has said they will never release anything else like it due to potential trolling)
A GA passive that restores 100% of health on death.

firstly, trundle exists so riot has released similar abilities that provide the same level of zone control in the jungle
secondly, that GA passive is also a 5 second stun to anivia in which she has negative armor/mr and is completely useless without her team to help her

reliance on the chill for E to get double damage since the chill duration was nerfed means that anything with a blink is capable of blinking away and the chill ending before the projectile collides resulting in about 0 damage


On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP.


I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far.

Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play.

chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well
deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
May 15 2012 15:28 GMT
#3293
On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 00:17 Sabin010 wrote:
Look at what Anivia has.

1:1 scaling on an aoe stun (if you can get the double hit)
1:1 scaling on a point and click nuke (if you can link it with something else)
20% aoe attackspeed debuff/ .25 scaling dot.
a unique form of zone control (Riot has said they will never release anything else like it due to potential trolling)
A GA passive that restores 100% of health on death.

firstly, trundle exists so riot has released similar abilities that provide the same level of zone control in the jungle
secondly, that GA passive is also a 5 second stun to anivia in which she has negative armor/mr and is completely useless without her team to help her

reliance on the chill for E to get double damage since the chill duration was nerfed means that anything with a blink is capable of blinking away and the chill ending before the projectile collides resulting in about 0 damage


I believe Anivia only loses armor and MR for the first level or two of her passive. By the midgame, she GAINS resists while in egg form, iirc.
would you ever miss it?
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 15:30:01
May 15 2012 15:29 GMT
#3294
On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
firstly, trundle exists so riot has released similar abilities that provide the same level of zone control in the jungle
secondly, that GA passive is also a 5 second stun to anivia in which she has negative armor/mr and is completely useless without her team to help her

whereas a GA will-as everyone knows- respawn you instantaneously at a safe location. *eyeroll*

if you die with a GA and your team isn't there to help you, you are just as boned as if you get egged as anivia.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 15:41:42
May 15 2012 15:32 GMT
#3295
Trundle's pillar isn't nearly as devistating to a team mate than a level 5 anivia wall completely locking them under an enemy turret.

Edit: On Anivia I like to lead with e then r before the particle connects, if they want to flash away I'm cool with that. If the double damage will hit because the r is applied before the e hits, and then you can q stun wall and e will be off cd for another double damage proc. The whole combo does like 4 seconds of ultmate ticks 2 1:1 e's and a 1:1 q, so with 200 ap and lvl 5 e its 1500 damage just from the scaling and e base damage. That's with out resistance, or the q/r's base damage.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 15 2012 15:34 GMT
#3296
On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP.


I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far.

Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play.

Voy Lee Sin.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 15:35:21
May 15 2012 15:34 GMT
#3297
On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
chu8 does this with maokai, there are multiple instances of things like warmogs cass and other crazy shit that people do at that people do at high elo that doesn't make sense and works for them. hotshotgg cho'gath comes to mind as well

Warmog's Cass and Hotshot's Cho builds all make sense. Cass because she has ridiculous base damage on extremely low cooldowns; she can afford to build tanky because she still deals tons of damage. And HSGG's Cho... not sure what you see him do that would not make any sense...
No idea what chu8's Maokai is.
On May 16 2012 00:34 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:41 spinesheath wrote:
On May 15 2012 23:36 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 15 2012 23:19 spinesheath wrote:
Froggen's builds should be a good indicator of Anivia being OP.


I think its more an indication that froggen is just a sick anivia player. Hes mastering orianna now aswell, looking pretty good so far.

Any other players who can consistently build that kind of rubbish and still dominate with their respective main champion? If no, then either Froggen is 1000 times better than everyone else, or Anivia is OP. Doesn't matter that she's hard to play.

Voy Lee Sin.

That's because Lee Sin is an asshole and OP too. Also what does he build that's as ridiculous as Froggen's Anivia builds?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 15 2012 15:36 GMT
#3298
Doesnt froggen build junk on Ahri too?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
May 15 2012 15:36 GMT
#3299
On May 16 2012 00:28 deskscaress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 00:25 Frolossus wrote:
On May 16 2012 00:17 Sabin010 wrote:
Look at what Anivia has.

1:1 scaling on an aoe stun (if you can get the double hit)
1:1 scaling on a point and click nuke (if you can link it with something else)
20% aoe attackspeed debuff/ .25 scaling dot.
a unique form of zone control (Riot has said they will never release anything else like it due to potential trolling)
A GA passive that restores 100% of health on death.

firstly, trundle exists so riot has released similar abilities that provide the same level of zone control in the jungle
secondly, that GA passive is also a 5 second stun to anivia in which she has negative armor/mr and is completely useless without her team to help her

reliance on the chill for E to get double damage since the chill duration was nerfed means that anything with a blink is capable of blinking away and the chill ending before the projectile collides resulting in about 0 damage


I believe Anivia only loses armor and MR for the first level or two of her passive. By the midgame, she GAINS resists while in egg form, iirc.

she only gains up to 20 armor and that is at the highest level
" Upon dying, Anivia will revert into an egg and will get an armor and magic resistance modifier of -40 / -25 / -10 / +5 / +20."

GA still makes you untargetable during the respawn where you can kill anivia's egg all you want during that whole period
this makes her extremely weak if she gets egged in any sort of AoE spell and it has the 5 minute cooldown over GA
its not nearly as good as people make it out to be
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 15 2012 15:56 GMT
#3300
Hey Alaric, I found you in Diablo! =O
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