EPTOn April 19 2012 02:28 Glaceau wrote:
new patch so unrefined feels like shit playing it
new patch so unrefined feels like shit playing it
? What do you mean?
[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 9
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
? What do you mean? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:19 gtrsrs wrote: so, hecarim is completely trash no damage whatsoever and as far as i see, his ult is buggy as hell. and bad passive. yikes, totally wasted 30 minutes and 6300 IP playing him for the first and last time. gotta stop buying champs on day 1 30mins 1 game, champ completely discovered and all secrets learned. Sure you dislike him, but don't to around spouting BS like that after just 1 game. Then again, anyone who is retarded enough to take advice like that and not buy the champ kind of deserves it I guess. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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DanielZKlein
United States1171 Posts
On April 19 2012 01:58 GoSuChicken wrote: What do you guys think, when is the nerf on sorakas heals coming? because i can already see this coming, with the nerf on lifesteal she now gives an insane amount of sustainability... We will do some things to address the more noxious gameplay elements especially a solo Soraka can introduce (see Dignitas at IPL4), but I don't think a heal nerf is necessary at this time. She does have crazy sustain, but that is no longer the only deciding factor in lane. I think supports that can outharass her can win lanes, and there are WAY better supports for the teamfight phase. But I may be biased. I main Janna. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:32 Shikyo wrote: No way it could possibly be calculated like this? It's got to be 40% cdr off the 2s base .-. If you get a stack of rampage does it immediatly reduce the cooldown or only for the next cast? | ||
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
No. 4 - 2 = 2 2x.4 = .8 2-.8 = 1.2 CDR is always the last step. Also, I was thinking about items/builds to go with, as Hecarim, and I stumbled on this reddit post : [–]DrDragun 94 points 2 hours ago* Not on this champion. Read his Q skill. Q scales very well with Arpen and CDR. If you reach max CDR, his Q has a 1.2 second cooldown. 20 Armor penetration is increasing that damage by 15-18%. The base damage at level 5 is 190+0.6bAD and mind you this is AOE. With Ghostblade you are adding 0.6x30AD + 190 base and multiplying that by 1.15. This adds 123 DPS to his Q skill at max CDR and this is in an AOE. So for Brutalizer. The base DPS of his Q is 190/2sec = 95 DPS in an aoe. With Brutalizer this become 190+0.6x25 / 1.8 sec = 113 dps boosted by 15% for arpen = 132 DPS. Also, physical attacks at level 12 are boosted by (89+25)x1.15 = 131. Thus the brutalizer added 32 DPS in an AOE from Q, +38 damage to all physical attacks (with arpen), and +15% to all physical skills. His base AD at level 12 is 89. Sheen adds 89 damage every 2 seconds, or 45 DPS to a single target. Don't believe the metagolem. I'm a bit surprised that Brutalizer is that good on him, especially if you consider that he's one of the few champions who really likes to upgrade Brutalizer into Ghostblade. I'm gonna have a lot of things to try out tonight  | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
I just dont think heals can be balanced, either soraka types or mundo/swain self heals. | ||
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:19 gtrsrs wrote: so, hecarim is completely trash no damage whatsoever and as far as i see, his ult is buggy as hell. and bad passive. yikes, totally wasted 30 minutes and 6300 IP playing him for the first and last time. gotta stop buying champs on day 1 Kind of was looking forward to him so that sucks to hear :/ | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
4 On April 19 2012 02:34 lurked wrote: No. 4 - 2 = 2 2x.4 = .8 2-.8 = 1.2 CDR is always the last step. I'm pretty sure this is the first case where %CDR is calculated after flat cooldown reduction, and it's because in this very specific case they specified that it was not the cooldown but the BASE cooldown being reduced. | ||
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:36 Kingkosi wrote: Kind of was looking forward to him so that sucks to hear :/ Don't be too quick to jump on the UP-train, a lot of people said the same about release Shyvanna, but look where she's at today, without any buff. Anyway, I like the style of the champion, gonna have to try it tonight! | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:19 gtrsrs wrote: so, hecarim is completely trash no damage whatsoever and as far as i see, his ult is buggy as hell. and bad passive. yikes, totally wasted 30 minutes and 6300 IP playing him for the first and last time. gotta stop buying champs on day 1 Yeah, I stopped day1 buying after Fiora. I did it for four champs in a row (Sejuani, Ziggs, Nautilus, Fiora) and currently I only play one of them (Sejuani). I am glad I didn't buy Lulu and now I get to see why i should be glad I didn't buy Hecarim | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:40 Juicyfruit wrote: Soraka's heal is fairly mediocre because she does very little else later on. It's the damn armor buff on top of the heal that breaks it. And thats kinda my point. Without the armor buff, the heal is just kinda meh. Its the fact that it isnt good so you need to make it TOO good in order for her to be used. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
the stacks reduce the BASE cooldown of the ability: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Hecarim_the_Shadow_of_War so it would be (4-2)*.6 instead of (4*.6)-2 | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:41 lurked wrote: Don't be too quick to jump on the UP-train, a lot of people said the same about release Shyvanna, but look where she's at today, without any buff. Anyway, I like the style of the champion, gonna have to try it tonight! Shyvana didn't totally blow at clearing jungle, just people said "She has no CC trash champ". I played him like three games on PBE and was really sad at how bad his clears were. Like his AoE is so weak on creeps you need the Wriggles. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:44 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: atm I'm using AD marks and quints on my junglers. If I switch some of the AD marks with AS will I notice any increase in clear speeds? My usual junglers are udyr, shyvanna, mundo, nocturne, olaf & xin. Udyr should use as reds, shyv should have ad reds/quints (as blues), mundo likes armpen reds, noct and olaf want armpen red ad quints, and xin is probably happy with anything (I think I would run armpen red w/ad quint on him) | ||
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:41 lurked wrote: Don't be too quick to jump on the UP-train, a lot of people said the same about release Shyvanna, but look where she's at today, without any buff. Anyway, I like the style of the champion, gonna have to try it tonight! Ah, I just started playing and I passed on LuLu so I thought I would give him a try. I'll take the advice though and spend my IP else where I think then. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On April 19 2012 02:32 JackDino wrote: 30mins 1 game, champ completely discovered and all secrets learned. Sure you dislike him, but don't to around spouting BS like that after just 1 game. Then again, anyone who is retarded enough to take advice like that and not buy the champ kind of deserves it I guess. sorry, what part of my post was BS? was i not pressing Q hard enough and hecarim actually does 100% damage to minions when you use it? are his mana costs halved if you wish it hard enough? nothing in my post is wrong, he's simply not a good jungler. his Q damage is like 1/3 of skarner's with no utility. his W sucks your mana up like a shake through a straw. his E is really buggy in how it knocks people back, and then follows it up by stunning you as well for a good 0.75-1.25 seconds so you can't even attack them. the ult does not work as intended, the fear does not work how phreak showed it to, if it even procs at all. the passive gives an un-noticeable AD boost. i dislike him because he's bad | ||
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HughMyron
297 Posts
My poor AD Cho'Gath (Reverie/FH/Wit's End/FoN/Atma's) will never be the same. | ||
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