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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
April 21 2012 03:37 GMT
#1001
I'm in a predicament. I'm drinking and want to play LoL and stream, but I'm on skype with a drunk girl who talks a lot so people might not like it. Eh, I stream anyway.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 21 2012 03:41 GMT
#1002
On April 21 2012 12:36 Requizen wrote:
Pulsefire. Fucking. Ezreal. Where.

It's pretty much done... but still needs localisation and the works.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 03:51:29
April 21 2012 03:48 GMT
#1003
On April 21 2012 12:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ping doesnt matter if you are used to it. Locodoco played Korea->US and never had less than 200 ping. Yet he still was one of the best players in the world when he played for TSM.

Constant high ping isnt a problem if you are used to it.


But what could he have done with 40- ping? Anecdotal, but I noticed the jump from 110 to 50 ping (new router). I didn't instantly have mad last-hitting skills and lightning reflexes, but I was considerably less "clumsy". Sure, it's definitely doable to last hit and position well at high pings, which is basically enough for the majority of matches (especially with a good strategic base). But there's so much more you can do with lower ping.

Dyrus' solo queue also markedly improved when he went from Hawaii to New York.
Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
April 21 2012 03:50 GMT
#1004
On April 21 2012 12:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 11:45 UniversalSnip wrote:
is call me veggie vigoss?

CallMeVigoss was the account he was using when he duo-ed with Chu a while back.


No.... just no. They aren't even the same nationality ~_~
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 21 2012 03:55 GMT
#1005
On April 21 2012 12:50 Yiruru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 12:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On April 21 2012 11:45 UniversalSnip wrote:
is call me veggie vigoss?

CallMeVigoss was the account he was using when he duo-ed with Chu a while back.


No.... just no. They aren't even the same nationality ~_~

Really? Damn, I got trolled so hard by one of the other Wrenchies ahahahaha.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 04:02:40
April 21 2012 04:02 GMT
#1006
On April 21 2012 12:37 LoCicero wrote:
I'm in a predicament. I'm drinking and want to play LoL and stream, but I'm on skype with a drunk girl who talks a lot so people might not like it. Eh, I stream anyway.

just mute sound then?

or get a program that can manually feed certain outputs into a single line that you in turn feed to xsplit
np
twitch.tv/cratonz
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 21 2012 04:02 GMT
#1007
Or the other wrenchy doesn't know what he's talking about either, zz.

Vigoss != Veggie

Vigoss and Chu have a HoN background. ruru would know
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 21 2012 04:09 GMT
#1008
On April 21 2012 12:48 ManyCookies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 12:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ping doesnt matter if you are used to it. Locodoco played Korea->US and never had less than 200 ping. Yet he still was one of the best players in the world when he played for TSM.

Constant high ping isnt a problem if you are used to it.


But what could he have done with 40- ping? Anecdotal, but I noticed the jump from 110 to 50 ping (new router). I didn't instantly have mad last-hitting skills and lightning reflexes, but I was considerably less "clumsy". Sure, it's definitely doable to last hit and position well at high pings, which is basically enough for the majority of matches (especially with a good strategic base). But there's so much more you can do with lower ping.

Dyrus' solo queue also markedly improved when he went from Hawaii to New York.

Loco's problem wanst last hitting. It can basically be summed up from a Chauster quote at the time (Chau was casting a game):

"I want to see Loco play kog here just to see if he can play a champion without an escape."
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
April 21 2012 04:35 GMT
#1009
On April 21 2012 12:37 LoCicero wrote:
I'm in a predicament. I'm drinking and want to play LoL and stream, but I'm on skype with a drunk girl who talks a lot so people might not like it. Eh, I stream anyway.


Personally I find watching it when you play with her more amusing, since you talk more and don't obsess about missing the previous last hit as much.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
April 21 2012 04:58 GMT
#1010
Drunk people streaming is awesome indeed :D
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
April 21 2012 05:09 GMT
#1011
On April 21 2012 13:58 zodde wrote:
Drunk people streaming is awesome indeed :D


Just ask Saint.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 21 2012 05:16 GMT
#1012
SV swears that he plays better drunk, but he doesnt want to risk it in LANs
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
April 21 2012 05:20 GMT
#1013
minipiece on ''the heal comp''

stacking resists and heals on a team is not new to LoL.( think back to innervating locket OP days ) dignitas recently revived interest in it somewhat with their comp.

how it works:

EHP is a function of HP and resists. increasing HP OR resists increases EHP linearly. doing both makes the increase exponential. (analogy: think of a piece of string (limited resources to spend on HP or resists). to form a quadrilateral with the largest area (EHP), you would balance the length and width of said quadrilateral, essentially forming a square (balancing HP and resists). however, the balancing of HP and resists isnt the purpose of this piece. the main idea is that the higher your resists are, the better each point of healing / shielding becomes, thus we begin the STACKING

the current best ways to stack resists (all values taken at level 5 of skill):

auras:
aegis of the legion (+12 armor, +15 mr)
soraka's passive consecration (+ 16 mr)
taric's shatter aura (+30 armor)
sona's aria of perseverance (+15 armor and mr)

temporary AoE buffs:
jarvan's demacian standard (+22 armor)

the resist auras (and in particular, soraka as a champion) are the backbone of any sort of heal comp, since they are rather unique and the only way to really stack resists to an ungodly amount on the whole team. we'll get to why soraka is so important later.

best AoE shields/heals:
soraka's wish 200/320/440 heal
locket of the iron solari (50+10 per lvl)
summoner heal (120+25xlvl )* 1.1

i would list more but these are in general the more noteworthy/accessible ones. note how soraka is once again right there on the list.

there is a third component to the equation - damage reduction. reducing opponents' dmg = increasing team survivability duh

notable ones:

frozen heart - at least 1 needed per team
randuin's omen
maokai's vengeful maelstrom (-20% damage)

aspd reduction effects apply last in the attack speed equation, meaning a frozen heart effectively cuts 20% of white DPS done by all autoattackers. (exception: randuin's / warden passive apparently)


the numbers game:
i love the idea that games can be won by numbers. think theorycrafting the highest possible DPS for WoW, mashing auras for DotA (janggo,meka,basi if you don't have all 3 you are noob). the heal comp for LoL works on the same principle. if you pick 5 heroes that synergize beyond the sum of their parts, mix in the right items and think of teamfights as your numbers clashing against the opponents', the heal comp is really dominating in a lot of ways.

how to think of numbers:
think of soraka's astral blessing. it heals 350 and gives 125 bonus armor for 5 seconds on a 20 second cooldown. when you cap out CDR (maybe with, say, frozen heart..?), it's 12 seconds. a good way to think of the numbers would be to break it down on a per second rate. 125 bonus armor for 5 seconds every 12 seconds can be re-imagined as 52.08 'always-on' armor, which is actually really gay. 350 hp every 12 seconds is 29.16667 hp per second. if you can get a whole team of 5 together and calculate all of their numbers together, you can think of teamfights as OPPONENT'S TOTAL DPS vs MY TEAM'S TOTAL HEALING/SHIELDING PER SECOND. if you have your number significantly higher, you steamroll in teamfights.

the reason why stacking heals always win vs stacking DPS is really just due to how healing isnt reduced by your own resists. imagine healing as dealing negative true damage to yourself. the only way an opponent can keep up with your stacking heals/shields/resists is to deal all of their damage as true damage, which is sadly just not possible.

will continue pt2 (ban/picks + examples) if anyone is interested
cool beans
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 05:24:29
April 21 2012 05:21 GMT
#1014
Depends on how you define drunk, but I guess he might be right. As long as stay sober enough so that it doesn't affect your coordination, it could be positive for your play.

Speaking of SV, who's the girl on the webcam on his stream atm?

@above: Yeah sure, would LOVE to see that, theorycraft is fun ^^
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 21 2012 05:26 GMT
#1015
nyx, that was really really insightful and interesting
it makes perfect sense when you lay it out that way

i think you should bold the part about the negative true damage and put it at the front of the post, that's the crux of it all

i hope you can put up the ban/pick part tonight, i'm stoked on this
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 21 2012 05:34 GMT
#1016
@zodde her name is Becca, she's HSGG's girlfriend
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
April 21 2012 05:43 GMT
#1017
On April 21 2012 14:34 MooMooMugi wrote:
@zodde her name is Becca, she's HSGG's girlfriend

That's not Becca. Why would saint be webcamming with Becca when they live in the same apartment?
Her name's Tina.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 05:44:35
April 21 2012 05:44 GMT
#1018
Becca also functions as CLG's translator (ICYWW)
twitch.tv/cratonz
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 21 2012 05:52 GMT
#1019
Is Tina the 2k girl player with the username lS2l?
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 06:08:57
April 21 2012 06:08 GMT
#1020
On April 21 2012 14:52 MooMooMugi wrote:
Is Tina the 2k girl player with the username lS2l?


|S2| is Yoonie, Xpecial's girlfriend. No idea who SV was skyping.
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