• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:10
CET 11:10
KST 19:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1819Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises2Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
I would like to say something about StarCraft A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ What monitor do you use for playing Remastered?
Tourneys
SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread How Panthegel 5 gm Helps Repair the Eye Surface Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 693 users

[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 3

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 145 146 147 Next
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 18 2012 08:03 GMT
#41
On April 18 2012 16:08 Bwaaaa wrote:
RIP Janna you were the best support for a while but your passive will still induce the rage of the enemy team.

that's an overexaggeration. Janna got nerf yes, but it wasn't that big and tbh Janna needed some nerfing. She simply outclasses other supports atm so much.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 18 2012 08:11 GMT
#42
On April 18 2012 16:57 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
Jax
Relentless Assault (Passive) will now stack even if Jax's attack misses or is dodged

This is pretty funny considering only jax can dodge.


Nice detectivework there Thats pretty funny indeed
KCCO!
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
April 18 2012 08:21 GMT
#43
On April 18 2012 17:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 16:08 Bwaaaa wrote:
RIP Janna you were the best support for a while but your passive will still induce the rage of the enemy team.

that's an overexaggeration. Janna got nerf yes, but it wasn't that big and tbh Janna needed some nerfing. She simply outclasses other supports atm so much.

I think they should have buffed the other supports instead of nerfing Janna. Monsoon is a really cool ability and I think the range was fine. Yes it was powerful, but why shouldn't supports have powerful active abilities? Make Sonas R wider/larger and let them dance longer, make Sorakas R heal more and slap the same armor buff on top as on her w and so on... These abilities should matter and they should also be relevant end-game. ATM the most work as a support happens in the early laning phase in my opinion as the game goes on, you have less and less influence...

Don't take the proposed "changes" serious. Just trying to get a point across. I want playing support to feel more active.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 18 2012 08:46 GMT
#44
What? Didn't jannas knockup get buffed?
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
April 18 2012 08:48 GMT
#45
On April 18 2012 17:46 epoc wrote:
What? Didn't jannas knockup get buffed?


most of the time you don't have a ton of time to channel her Q at least if your using it the way most do.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 18 2012 08:49 GMT
#46
On April 18 2012 17:46 epoc wrote:
What? Didn't jannas knockup get buffed?

(now 80 + 10 per second channeled from constant 100)
80+10per second channeled instead of always 100 looks like a nerf to me.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
April 18 2012 08:57 GMT
#47
hoorray, no more unkillable-carry atmog gp!
Its grack
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 18 2012 08:59 GMT
#48
On April 18 2012 16:12 Leporello wrote:
Why mess with the MR runes? MR is harder to acquire than Armor, I find, when it comes to items. So I liked my MR runes...

Considering that I've been running nothing but flat MR glyphs on every single runepage for months now, I feel that a nerf is perfectly fine. Scaling MR wasn't touched if I read that correctly.
Since every champ starts out with 30 MR, compared to the 12-20 Armor everyone has at lvl 1, weaker flat MR isn't such a bad thing either. Oh and MPen runes are weak as well.

Wit's End still is strong. Definitely still worth the 2150 gold.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 18 2012 09:00 GMT
#49
On April 18 2012 15:52 Chrispy wrote:
I've decided the only runes and build for Ezreal is 25 armour pen, 1-2 dblades, brutalizer, sheen, bloodthirster, trinity force, last whisper. And bring ignite + flash.

Without that Ezreal is a weak kitten.


Yeah, or you could skip bruta and sheen, get a BF sword early and wreck faces without falling off at the 25min mark. T_T
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 18 2012 09:11 GMT
#50
Janna's Q was a nerf.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
April 18 2012 09:16 GMT
#51
I think the ultimate change was also almost certainly nerf. In most situations I would gladly spend that extra 50 mana for an extra 125 range that could easily mean the difference between interrupting and putting enough distance between you and them, or not.
3.
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
April 18 2012 09:20 GMT
#52
I think I'll play more and more APs at support if they continue to nerf the usual supports.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 09:25:49
April 18 2012 09:24 GMT
#53
Of course it was a nerf. Both the ultimate and Q. The mana cost on R was simply adjusted to fit better into the game; it probably was the most expensive ultimate (excluding stacked Riftwalk) before? Well, it also was one of the most powerful ultimates, but I think we can see a general trend of lower manacosts across the board.

You should try Support Cass. Ridiculously strong. Sadly you won't have her for mid then.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 09:36:47
April 18 2012 09:31 GMT
#54
whoops wrong thread
Go go Alliance.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 18 2012 09:35 GMT
#55
On April 18 2012 18:31 dooraven wrote:
Moma leaves aAa (or was kicked w/e), amt2k will be replacing him:

aAa statement:
http://www.team-aaa.com/news-21622-20-1-amt2k_remplace_moma.html#commentaires

Moma's statement:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maik-MoMa-Wallus/


Probably belongs in the Pro Scene thread.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
April 18 2012 09:36 GMT
#56
whoops ><

thought that this was the pro scene thread :/ (me is derping today)
Go go Alliance.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 18 2012 09:43 GMT
#57
On April 18 2012 18:20 Lysteria wrote:
I think I'll play more and more APs at support if they continue to nerf the usual supports.


Supports are still 10x stronger than aps and such. There's a reason they are nerfing them.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 18 2012 09:47 GMT
#58
Let's see.

No Eve buff.
No Lulu nerf.
Janna nerf?! (Instead of Irelia, now you nerf Janna every patch?)
No Karma remake.

What a garbage patch.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 18 2012 09:50 GMT
#59
On April 18 2012 18:43 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 18:20 Lysteria wrote:
I think I'll play more and more APs at support if they continue to nerf the usual supports.


Supports are still 10x stronger than aps and such. There's a reason they are nerfing them.

Liek lulu, impossible to gank a good lulu lane.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 18 2012 09:54 GMT
#60
I've been banning janna for weeks why is everyone surprised at nerfs?
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 145 146 147 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 50m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 159
Creator 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 626
Jaedong 537
Stork 386
PianO 372
Larva 336
actioN 288
Leta 166
Hyun 159
Hyuk 158
ZerO 122
[ Show more ]
Sharp 79
Mini 72
Rush 66
ToSsGirL 61
sorry 61
Mind 54
Mong 54
ggaemo 48
Killer 46
Light 43
EffOrt 41
Soma 36
Barracks 34
soO 25
hero 23
yabsab 19
Nal_rA 18
Bale 18
zelot 17
Sacsri 15
JYJ 14
Noble 11
Movie 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm88
League of Legends
JimRising 564
C9.Mang0473
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss927
Other Games
summit1g8783
ceh9509
Fuzer 40
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 21
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Adnapsc2 14
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2078
• Stunt804
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 50m
Korean StarCraft League
16h 50m
OSC
1d 1h
IPSL
1d 3h
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
1d 7h
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Patches Events
3 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-Race Season 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S1: W2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.