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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 18 2012 08:03 GMT
#41
On April 18 2012 16:08 Bwaaaa wrote:
RIP Janna you were the best support for a while but your passive will still induce the rage of the enemy team.

that's an overexaggeration. Janna got nerf yes, but it wasn't that big and tbh Janna needed some nerfing. She simply outclasses other supports atm so much.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 18 2012 08:11 GMT
#42
On April 18 2012 16:57 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
Jax
Relentless Assault (Passive) will now stack even if Jax's attack misses or is dodged

This is pretty funny considering only jax can dodge.


Nice detectivework there Thats pretty funny indeed
KCCO!
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
April 18 2012 08:21 GMT
#43
On April 18 2012 17:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 16:08 Bwaaaa wrote:
RIP Janna you were the best support for a while but your passive will still induce the rage of the enemy team.

that's an overexaggeration. Janna got nerf yes, but it wasn't that big and tbh Janna needed some nerfing. She simply outclasses other supports atm so much.

I think they should have buffed the other supports instead of nerfing Janna. Monsoon is a really cool ability and I think the range was fine. Yes it was powerful, but why shouldn't supports have powerful active abilities? Make Sonas R wider/larger and let them dance longer, make Sorakas R heal more and slap the same armor buff on top as on her w and so on... These abilities should matter and they should also be relevant end-game. ATM the most work as a support happens in the early laning phase in my opinion as the game goes on, you have less and less influence...

Don't take the proposed "changes" serious. Just trying to get a point across. I want playing support to feel more active.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 18 2012 08:46 GMT
#44
What? Didn't jannas knockup get buffed?
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
April 18 2012 08:48 GMT
#45
On April 18 2012 17:46 epoc wrote:
What? Didn't jannas knockup get buffed?


most of the time you don't have a ton of time to channel her Q at least if your using it the way most do.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 18 2012 08:49 GMT
#46
On April 18 2012 17:46 epoc wrote:
What? Didn't jannas knockup get buffed?

(now 80 + 10 per second channeled from constant 100)
80+10per second channeled instead of always 100 looks like a nerf to me.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
April 18 2012 08:57 GMT
#47
hoorray, no more unkillable-carry atmog gp!
Its grack
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 18 2012 08:59 GMT
#48
On April 18 2012 16:12 Leporello wrote:
Why mess with the MR runes? MR is harder to acquire than Armor, I find, when it comes to items. So I liked my MR runes...

Considering that I've been running nothing but flat MR glyphs on every single runepage for months now, I feel that a nerf is perfectly fine. Scaling MR wasn't touched if I read that correctly.
Since every champ starts out with 30 MR, compared to the 12-20 Armor everyone has at lvl 1, weaker flat MR isn't such a bad thing either. Oh and MPen runes are weak as well.

Wit's End still is strong. Definitely still worth the 2150 gold.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 18 2012 09:00 GMT
#49
On April 18 2012 15:52 Chrispy wrote:
I've decided the only runes and build for Ezreal is 25 armour pen, 1-2 dblades, brutalizer, sheen, bloodthirster, trinity force, last whisper. And bring ignite + flash.

Without that Ezreal is a weak kitten.


Yeah, or you could skip bruta and sheen, get a BF sword early and wreck faces without falling off at the 25min mark. T_T
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 18 2012 09:11 GMT
#50
Janna's Q was a nerf.
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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
April 18 2012 09:16 GMT
#51
I think the ultimate change was also almost certainly nerf. In most situations I would gladly spend that extra 50 mana for an extra 125 range that could easily mean the difference between interrupting and putting enough distance between you and them, or not.
3.
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
April 18 2012 09:20 GMT
#52
I think I'll play more and more APs at support if they continue to nerf the usual supports.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 09:25:49
April 18 2012 09:24 GMT
#53
Of course it was a nerf. Both the ultimate and Q. The mana cost on R was simply adjusted to fit better into the game; it probably was the most expensive ultimate (excluding stacked Riftwalk) before? Well, it also was one of the most powerful ultimates, but I think we can see a general trend of lower manacosts across the board.

You should try Support Cass. Ridiculously strong. Sadly you won't have her for mid then.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 09:36:47
April 18 2012 09:31 GMT
#54
whoops wrong thread
Go go Alliance.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 18 2012 09:35 GMT
#55
On April 18 2012 18:31 dooraven wrote:
Moma leaves aAa (or was kicked w/e), amt2k will be replacing him:

aAa statement:
http://www.team-aaa.com/news-21622-20-1-amt2k_remplace_moma.html#commentaires

Moma's statement:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maik-MoMa-Wallus/


Probably belongs in the Pro Scene thread.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
April 18 2012 09:36 GMT
#56
whoops ><

thought that this was the pro scene thread :/ (me is derping today)
Go go Alliance.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 18 2012 09:43 GMT
#57
On April 18 2012 18:20 Lysteria wrote:
I think I'll play more and more APs at support if they continue to nerf the usual supports.


Supports are still 10x stronger than aps and such. There's a reason they are nerfing them.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 18 2012 09:47 GMT
#58
Let's see.

No Eve buff.
No Lulu nerf.
Janna nerf?! (Instead of Irelia, now you nerf Janna every patch?)
No Karma remake.

What a garbage patch.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 18 2012 09:50 GMT
#59
On April 18 2012 18:43 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 18:20 Lysteria wrote:
I think I'll play more and more APs at support if they continue to nerf the usual supports.


Supports are still 10x stronger than aps and such. There's a reason they are nerfing them.

Liek lulu, impossible to gank a good lulu lane.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 18 2012 09:54 GMT
#60
I've been banning janna for weeks why is everyone surprised at nerfs?
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