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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 26 2012 22:12 GMT
#2181
On April 27 2012 07:06 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:56 turdburgler wrote:
On April 27 2012 06:16 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:41 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:03 Alaric wrote:
DFG "buff"? Dunno. More AP, no mp5 (less interesting for laning phase/rushing, see: Veigar), and the active was badly nerfed too, you gain 0.5%/100 AP and lose flat 10%, which means 2000 AP needed for the active to be as good as previously.

Edit: tho I can see it on Katarina or Vlad for example now, with her burst and his amplified damage. I liked that mp5 on Swain tho.

I'm not sure what you're reading, it says it was increased from 3.5% to 4% per 100 ap. That is a .5% buff per 100 ap.

edit: now I see that it was reduced from 30% to 25%. It would take 1000 ap to recoup its changed damage from before. Given the fact that it's actually useful on all the resourceless ap champions, I'd consider it almost a straight buff.


This calls for a spreadsheet!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aowpba9laK0vdC0zTlFxWThwSmZWSWhLclBCeEN4N3c

So basically it's a nerf to DFG's active at any reasonable level of AP. But the active isn't all there is to DFG. It seems a lot more straightforward to build, and if you feel like it you can keep delaying completion and building other Blasting Wand items if the opportunity arises.

Considering I think that AP actually caps at 1000, it is obviously a "nerf." But no one except veigar builds dfg, so can you nerf an item that no one uses?


ap doesnt cap at 1000, ive had more than 1000 before

On April 27 2012 06:34 Haemonculus wrote:
On April 27 2012 06:16 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:41 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:03 Alaric wrote:
DFG "buff"? Dunno. More AP, no mp5 (less interesting for laning phase/rushing, see: Veigar), and the active was badly nerfed too, you gain 0.5%/100 AP and lose flat 10%, which means 2000 AP needed for the active to be as good as previously.

Edit: tho I can see it on Katarina or Vlad for example now, with her burst and his amplified damage. I liked that mp5 on Swain tho.

I'm not sure what you're reading, it says it was increased from 3.5% to 4% per 100 ap. That is a .5% buff per 100 ap.

edit: now I see that it was reduced from 30% to 25%. It would take 1000 ap to recoup its changed damage from before. Given the fact that it's actually useful on all the resourceless ap champions, I'd consider it almost a straight buff.


This calls for a spreadsheet!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aowpba9laK0vdC0zTlFxWThwSmZWSWhLclBCeEN4N3c

So basically it's a nerf to DFG's active at any reasonable level of AP. But the active isn't all there is to DFG. It seems a lot more straightforward to build, and if you feel like it you can keep delaying completion and building other Blasting Wand items if the opportunity arises.

Considering I think that AP actually caps at 1000, it is obviously a "nerf." But no one except veigar builds dfg, so can you nerf an item that no one uses?

No AP cap.

Also, DFG #1 item for CAPTAIN TEEMO!


reported for trolling ;l

ap teemo is the dumbest thing

ur the dumbest thing


Best reply, Haemo lol
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 26 2012 22:14 GMT
#2182
On April 27 2012 06:56 turdburgler wrote:
reported for trolling ;l

ap teemo is the dumbest thing

Reporting a banling... >.>
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
April 26 2012 22:15 GMT
#2183
Ap teemo is pretty good, but I kinda like the build him tankish/damagy for a lack of a better word Bruiser style Teemo. However the idea of killer mushrooms does appeal to me on a certain level.

The obvious solution is for a teemo ap vs teemo not ap? battle
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 26 2012 22:18 GMT
#2184
On April 27 2012 06:46 arb wrote:
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On April 27 2012 06:25 phyvo wrote:
there is no particular hard cap on AP. Veigar can have infinite AP the same way Sion can have infinite HP and nasus infinite Q damage.

Sions Hp actually caps at 1500 something.

I dont think veigar/nasus have a cap tho


No cap, here's a video with over 8k health with only mallet

In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 26 2012 22:25 GMT
#2185
On April 27 2012 07:18 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:46 arb wrote:
On April 27 2012 06:25 phyvo wrote:
there is no particular hard cap on AP. Veigar can have infinite AP the same way Sion can have infinite HP and nasus infinite Q damage.

Sions Hp actually caps at 1500 something.

I dont think veigar/nasus have a cap tho


No cap, here's a video with over 8k health with only mallet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KPayODBAK8

Coulda swore i read on here it had a cap.

disregard that then.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 26 2012 22:27 GMT
#2186
On April 27 2012 07:25 arb wrote:
Coulda swore i read on here it had a cap.

disregard that then.

Iirc, Veigar, Nasus and Sion have hard caps on their skills but it's something infeasibly high. I think Nasus Q was something like 23k damage?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
April 26 2012 22:28 GMT
#2187
Scarra playin' AP teemo that's what's up!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 26 2012 22:31 GMT
#2188
On April 27 2012 07:28 Haemonculus wrote:
Scarra playin' AP teemo that's what's up!


Hahaha I was just about to say. I think he's trolling us.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 26 2012 22:41 GMT
#2189
Wasn't that a bug? Sion being able to stack Enrage to hit high amounts of HP?
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
April 26 2012 22:47 GMT
#2190
I guess it was just luck. I saw a 6 item annie with 20 full stacks on mejais who had exactly 1000 ap. I thought she must have hit the cap, but I guess it was just the luck of runes masteries and items.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 26 2012 22:48 GMT
#2191
does dfg proc spell vamp?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 26 2012 22:51 GMT
#2192
On April 27 2012 07:41 MooMooMugi wrote:
Wasn't that a bug? Sion being able to stack Enrage to hit high amounts of HP?


What? No, thats what the ability does, it gives you bonus health permanently whenever you kill a minion...

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In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 26 2012 22:53 GMT
#2193
On April 27 2012 07:48 arb wrote:
does dfg proc spell vamp?


yes
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
April 26 2012 22:55 GMT
#2194
Lol so today I decided to troll around a little bit and thought AD ryze seemed like a fun idea.

Tons of fun. Surprisingly good actually. Rushed manamune and then frozen heart, still was doing tons of damage, then got Tforce and Black Cleaver huehue.

13/6/11 I believe.

too stronk, better than AP imo
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 26 2012 23:00 GMT
#2195
lol, scarra contemplating playing AP twitch. lulz.
liftlift > tsm
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 26 2012 23:00 GMT
#2196
On April 27 2012 07:55 Juddas wrote:
Lol so today I decided to troll around a little bit and thought AD ryze seemed like a fun idea.

Tons of fun. Surprisingly good actually. Rushed manamune and then frozen heart, still was doing tons of damage, then got Tforce and Black Cleaver huehue.

13/6/11 I believe.

too stronk, better than AP imo


Anything is better than AP Ryze....

AD Ryze is terrible because you can either cast spells or AA, you cant do both in a fight. His only decent AD skill is the snare...but then it has long cooldown if you arent spamming his other spells, and if you do spam them then you arent using your AD.

AD Annie is considerably better than AD Ryze in every way, if you want a joke build.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
cDgCornpops
Profile Joined April 2011
62 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 23:08:43
April 26 2012 23:08 GMT
#2197
Just saw a video by husky where you can make your second monitor for Starcraft 2 a giant mini-map
(+ Show Spoiler +
) There's the link

Was wondering if there's a way to do this on LoL?

Edit'd to hide giant video
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
April 26 2012 23:12 GMT
#2198
On April 27 2012 07:27 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:25 arb wrote:
Coulda swore i read on here it had a cap.

disregard that then.

Iirc, Veigar, Nasus and Sion have hard caps on their skills but it's something infeasibly high. I think Nasus Q was something like 23k damage?


Am I wrong in thinking that all stats must have some cap based on how the data is structured? like say hp is capped at ###### because it is only # bits long.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 26 2012 23:13 GMT
#2199
On April 27 2012 08:08 cDgCornpops wrote:
Was wondering if there's a way to do this on LoL?

Don't see why not. He's just using XSplit to capture the corner of his screen and output it to his 2nd monitor. I don't think any part of that is SC2-specific.
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Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
April 26 2012 23:21 GMT
#2200
On April 27 2012 08:00 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:55 Juddas wrote:
Lol so today I decided to troll around a little bit and thought AD ryze seemed like a fun idea.

Tons of fun. Surprisingly good actually. Rushed manamune and then frozen heart, still was doing tons of damage, then got Tforce and Black Cleaver huehue.

13/6/11 I believe.

too stronk, better than AP imo


Anything is better than AP Ryze....

AD Ryze is terrible because you can either cast spells or AA, you cant do both in a fight. His only decent AD skill is the snare...but then it has long cooldown if you arent spamming his other spells, and if you do spam them then you arent using your AD.

AD Annie is considerably better than AD Ryze in every way, if you want a joke build.



But manamune..... and frozen heart....
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