[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 112

On April 27 2012 11:03 HazMat wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/national_esl1

new 4not vs LgN

On April 27 2012 11:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
Haha, you mean you don't know Faro is an Adjudicator?! That's old, man...

On April 27 2012 10:55 Alaric wrote:
Shen reminds me of Morgana. Permaban, but whenever somebody gets his hands on him it seems like they can't play him properly for the life of them.
Mundo on the other hand seems to have more decent practicionners than not, from what I've seen (1250 Elo sup).

When I see the bans at that Elo, it actually reminds me more of the veto system for SC2 maps than a real ban procedure, in that people just select what they don't like, or have been told is imbalanced, without putting much thought into it.
How is it at higher Elo? Do people discuss bans more? Are they more generic or targeted at whatever you don't like when you're first pick (from what I recall, the practices regarding that point are quite split in our subforum)?
I'm always surprised at people banning following exactly the same procedure whether they're first pick or second pick. FP gives you so many opportunities to force "standard" bans on your opponent, thus keeping a number of options open, or being able to ban whatever you don't like.

On April 27 2012 11:03 Cloud9157 wrote:


From my perspective as a frequent stream watcher and I watch every big tournie I can, they differ.

In solo q, I don't see much discussion at high ELOs. They just ban the pretty gimmicky champs like Shaco and Shen(dat ulti son). You will also see some of the less usual bans like Graves or Ryze, at least compared to the lower ELO. I remember when I had first pick and I banned like Shen, Urgot, and Ryze. Teammates gave me so much shit for banning Ryze+Urgot. Urgot may have been a tad overboard(he was getting REAL popular with the pros at the time though) but Ryze was understandable imo. I mean, sure a lot of people will probably suck using him, but ehh.

However, when you see the pros together, its a different story. I hear a LOT of talk during scrims, sometimes they ban at the very last moment. Tournies are usually targeted bans. Take IPL4 for example. CLG vs TSM GFs had CLG banning Nocturne ALL 6 games. It pretty much shut down TOO entirely.

On April 27 2012 11:34 Requizen wrote:

Wait, Shen is still ban status? I thought he was considered pretty mediocre since his series of nerfs. I've been playing him and winning, but he never really felt overly strong to me, imo.