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On April 09 2012 20:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Positives
+ Greatly run tournament
+ Crowd environment made it fun to watch
+ Riven voice girl was awesome (Christina Vee I think that's her name)
Negatives
- The final, CLG wins 2-0 then TSM wins 2-0 and TSM take the championship? why not just allow the 2 teams to have 1 bo5 or bo7 or something, make it a fair final.. having a team walk into the final knowing they only have to win 2 games of 3 while the other team has to win twice as many is stupid. Especially since CLG didn't get knocked down to losers bracket by TSM.
- Commentators, I don't really like the current commentators.. Dan Dinh was pretty good but the others not so much. Need Tastosis or Day9 :D
This is standard double elimination tourny setup. The idea is you need to lose 2 sets to be out of the tournament. The casters where all good imo. They are all inexperienced in one way or another but its to be expect as lol-esports is young and standards for casting have not been set yet. Personally I like the random dudes (not DD or Riot guys)
I watched some of it though but the only thing I think could improve heavily (without large costs like booths) is to have 2 streams. Missing CLG vs Dignitas was a shame.
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Positives
+Crowd interaction (mostly through Phreak) was great
+Double Elim and all best of 3s
+Fun stuff during downtime such as Kpop, pros vs fans etc
Negatives
+Hatman is the worst caster of any game in forever. I dislike him and I think IPL need to work on getting a better casting team.
+Extended Series. It's dumb. Being knocked down to losers bracket and forced to play more games is punishment enough, no need to start people a set behind.
+They need to drop the playercam into the delay as well so that it's actually a relevent view.
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Positives
+ 240p stream option. My Internet connection is pretty terrible but at least I could follow it on the lowest quality setting. GOM doesn't have a low-quality option and doesn't allow re-streaming, making the GSL impossible for me to follow. Thanks for providing an option for all of us with terrible ISPs.
+ Kpop filled the dead time nicely.
Negatives
- As many others have said the audio quality needs to be worked on. Consistent audio is a must for an event like this.
- Again, as has been said before a Bo5 with a 1 game advantage for the winner's bracket team would make a much better format for the final.
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Positives
+ It was free xD
+ Not too many advertisements
+Dan Dinh replacing hatperson for a couple of games
+ a small plus for the much better casting duo of phreak and ??? But this needs to be fixed, it's not really that hard. I mean the formula almost never changes no matter what game it is; One enthusiastic describer (and not hatperson) and one competitive insight...
Negatives
-As already stated hatperson is just ridiculously bad as a caster, I do however believe that the Baron is slowly getting better.
-I don't really like Grand Final format, however I'm uncertain that a 1-0 game advantage would be better (it means on average less total games)
-I don't like kpop, I don't see why you need to make an American E-Sports event look like a korean one... But whatever many people seemd to enjoy it.
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On April 10 2012 01:55 Sabin010 wrote:
Team A is 4-0 Team C is 5-4
so team a wins game 1 loses the next 3
Team C wins with a record of 8-5 (61.5 win%)
Team A gets second with a record of 5-3 (62.5 win%)
Say it is a 2 bo3 format for the finals and Team C wins 2-1 both times
Team A 6-4 Team C is 9-6 now they both have 60% win rates, but the having the finals going 6 games make it seem the better team became champion.
The "problem" you raise here arises with the 2xBo3 format as well. The only reason it appears less significant or hidden here is because you chose the double elimination to extend only to the Ro8. If your tournament has an Ro32, it's just as possible for the losers' bracket finalist to win the tournament with a worse winrate by 2-1ing every set while the winner's bracket finalist wins every set 2-0. The small number of rounds simply hides this fact because it's not possible for the discrepancy to grow that large with only 3 rounds of double elimination.
"Winrate" in the context of such a small sample size as this tournament is practically speaking, meaningless. And it shouldn't be used to determine the finals format. From a practical standpoint, there are only 2 factors to consider: number of games, and statistical advantage given to the Winner's bracket finalist. As I showed on the last page, the statistical advantage of being the Winner's bracket finalist is about 6%, and you get on average 1-2 less games in the finals. I consider that to be a pretty good tradeoff.
On April 10 2012 18:09 MyTHicaL wrote:
-I don't really like Grand Final format, however I'm uncertain that a 1-0 game advantage would be better (it means on average less total games)
You realize that this is WHY people want a 1-0 game advantage format, right? A potential 6 games is grueling for the audience to watch, and even more so for the players to play (especially when the loser's bracket finalist ALREADY had to play the loser's final). Capping out at a maximum of 4 games is better, because the quality of those last 2 games isn't likely to be that good when everyone is so worn out.
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Positives
+ AMAZING player pool
+ Great production quality (lighting, sound, stream)
+ Great location for event
Negatives
- The caster lineup was not so strong
- There was not a whole lot of free SWAG thrown into the crowd or handed out.
- There were no meet-the-pros or autograph tables. If you wanted an autograph you had to just happen to run into a player
- The advertisements were WAY TOO redundant. I HATED seeing the same exact AMD commercial 25+ times every day
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Positives
+ phreak and revington
+ kpop/interviews and other filler was good to make the downtime less boring
+ i liked the format. didn't mind the extra games
+ when freak would mention 'stats', such as common picks, how a certain champ is doing in the tournament, and more specifically, what champions are good for each player really helps add to the development of each player individually instead of just seeing a team comp against another team comp.
+ crowd was good, when they weren't trying to actually talk to the people talking on stage. i like the thundersticks idea, just sucks that the crowd had to tone it down.
Negatives
- christina V, she just really annoyed me. also, crowd interaction is good, but it seems unprofessional the way they were doing it to random people that shouted at her.
- redbaron and dandinh weren't spectacular, i didn't hate them, i just think that ipl could get better casters
- audio. peaking out the mic when they got excited really ruined the experience
- missed some games, would like to have seen them on a 2nd stream
- numbers/item builds were hard to see on the free stream's resolution
Suggestions
- i would really like to see what each PLAYER prefers champion-wise (like how doublelift likes vayne and corki). It would be awesome if they could come up with graphics for each team detailing what each player views their strongest 5 or so champions to be, or something like that.
- statistics on most banned/played champs would be cool too, whether it just is said by players or if there is some sort of overlay with the stats on it.
-2nd stream? even if uncasted would be fine by me.
overall a great event and fun to watch
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As a commentator looking on (with my HD pass) I might as well give my views on the weekends tournament. Albiet I will be a little politically correct on some of them 
Positives
+ Great Tournament matches, not very many boring farm sessions, well done teams.
+ Double Elim Bracket, I always prefer this over Group Stages.
+ Nice location, seriously jealous of not being there for this one.
+ Interviews went well once Travis settled down. (Dyrus interview was great despite saying R**e)
+ Great atmosphere, showed and came across on the camera. Well done crowd!
Negatives
+ 2 color commentators for the grand final, stupidest move ever. (Baron + Dan Dinh)
+ Bad lighting (expected in a conference room)
+ Horrible event sound to the point I muted it a number of times. (No balance between Interview, Casters, Adverts, Kpop)
+ If you're going to run double elim, show all the games, that's the point in not doing groups.
+ Questionable choice of game showing TSM vs Curse over Digntias vs CLG.
To elaborate on the commentator thing, I read earlier people saying Caster/Commentator. I've always refered to this as Play-by-Play and Color commentator. Play-by-play is what I do, call the action as it happens in a clear and concise manor while color is typically a player/ex-player with in-depth analysis. In this case Baron is a 2k+ player as is Dan Dinh but with team experience. Therefore the commentary went from built up excitement of Phreak+Rivington to flat boring statistic overflow with Baron+Dan Dinh. Not the casters fault particularly just whoever decided to pair them up. Rivington with Dan Dinh would have been so much smoother as Riv like me is a flat out Play-by-Play guy thats done it for years.
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